22 ARC or 6CM? and what platform?

[BLJ]

You are overthinking the benefits for a 6-9 year old of 88/arc and under thinking the cost, convenience, and killing ability of 77/223.

Thinking the same.

I’d think a 6 year old would benefit more from time in the gun (223) than less wind drift at 800 (22ARC).

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Has anyone been able to get the arcs to feed correctly in a tikka?

All ARC users so far report yes. A couple BR users say yes. Initial reports are positive for Dasher but limited deployment so far.

 

[Aussie Dan]

Run the numbers for the 223 77 tmk and the 22 arc with 88 eldm and put them up here, let's see it. I'm guessing that is is meaningful for wind and a bit less so with

there's obviously a difference, because they are different set ups.
I cant imagine a 6yo being able to shoot the difference though.
As mentioned, i don't think the extra couple clicks of elevation or extra little .2 or whatever mil wind hold is going to make a difference to the user experience.

 

[hereinaz]

there's obviously a difference, because they are different set ups.
I cant imagine a 6yo being able to shoot the difference though.
As mentioned, i don't think the extra couple clicks of elevation or extra little .2 or whatever mil wind hold is going to make a difference to the user experience.

It’s for 6 YO plus, so more can make sense. It’s a starting point.

 

[jesco88]

“Never split the difference.”

Either shoot 77 TMKs out of a 223 or step up to a 6mm (arc, GT, or creed) to enable elk hunting in WY.

You are overthinking the benefits for a 6-9 year old of 88/arc and under thinking the cost, convenience, and killing ability of 77/223.

-J

Cost is kind of a wash. Brass is brass and bullets are bullets. Upfront, any other brass besides 223 will cost 2x, but after 6-8 firings, it kinda levels out. He won't really be able to hunt Idaho until he's 12yrs old. So, from 6yrs old to 12yrs old, it's going to be just MO whitetail, where most shots are under 200yards. I figure that gives him a lot of time to practice and become proficient at target shooting much further than that back home.

I'm wanting something that is more capable than a 223, so it can grow with his shooting and hunting capabilities. Holding wind is not exactly easy to get right and will take a lot of practice. Hence wanting to give him a cartridge that helps mitigate less than perfect wind calls, like most of us want.

10mph full value wind drift 500yds
77tmk @2700 = 21"
88eldm @2775 = 14.9"

That's a big enough difference to matter- to me, at least.

6CM was the original plan, but 22ARC caught my attention for the external ballistics and super low recoil. 22GT/CM is really looking good for running with a normal bolt face and using short action Tikka mags. 22 ARC is a bit cheaper to load for and gives him the ability to buy factory ammo when he gets older.. but maybe a bit more complicated to build a Tikka with.

I have a little bit of time to think it over. I do appreciate all feedback. Obviously, everyone's situation is a little different and everyone's expectations are different. I shoot a lot of 223 and 308, I live right next to miles and miles of BLM land. Its fun to shoot old school stuff, it really teaches you what the wind does and how far cartridges have advanced in the last 15 years.

 

[Escalante11]

Tikka Roughtech Ranch 223 w/ factory 16" barrel. Drop it in a OEM compact stock or Rokstok Lite and be done. My boys enjoy it. Eventually the plan is to rebarrel to a 22 ARC but I'm in zero rush

 

[jesco88]

Tikka Roughtech Ranch 223 w/ factory 16" barrel. Drop it in a OEM compact stock or Rokstok Lite and be done. My boys enjoy it. Eventually the plan is to rebarrel to a 22 ARC but I'm in zero rush

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In this route- would you just have to have someone open up the bolt face or would you have to buy a new bolt body etc?

 

[omicron1792]

Read this if you haven’t. This question has been asked 1000 times. I went through same thing too.

“I've chimed in on so many different "what rifle for my age XX kid?" threads that I thought I'd try to consolidate my thoughts here.

My oldest son is 14 now, started shooting centerfire rifles at 9. My younger kids started shooting centerfire rifles at between 5-7 yrs old. 5 kids shooting now...

https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/kids-rifle-manifesto.348812/

 

[jesco88]

Read this if you haven’t. This question has been asked 1000 times. I went through same thing too.

“I've chimed in on so many different "what rifle for my age XX kid?" threads that I thought I'd try to consolidate my thoughts here.

My oldest son is 14 now, started shooting centerfire rifles at 9. My younger kids started shooting centerfire rifles at between 5-7 yrs old. 5 kids shooting now...

https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/kids-rifle-manifesto.348812/

The purpose of this thread was to discuss 22ARC against 6CM in terms of effective killing, recoil, and barrel life, etc... and the secondary topic was to build out a Tikka or buy a Howa Mini. The reasoning behind the cartridges was what really derailed the conversation.

Respectfully, I'm not interested in a 223rem. I know, it's not the group hive mind consensus that others have cumulatively agreed upon. That's OKAY.

Cost and recoil are close enough to not matter to me. (Which, to my understanding- that's where most people argue for a 223 rem). 22-24gr of powder for 223 rem vs 25gr-27gr of powder for 22 arc. Bullets are the same cost... So then the main cost difference boils down to brass. Hornady 223 brass is around $0.37/pc vs Hornady 22 ARC brass is around $0.87/pc. Not a big deal to me either. I'm going to be reloading these 6 or 7 times, maybe more.

The higher BC and MV of the 88 ELDM from a 22ARC is a benefit that I am willing to pay more for. If you don't think that's a big enough factor, so be it. I won't judge ya.

I think picking the cartridge happens before picking which platform to shoot it from.

 

[NSI]

The purpose of this thread was to discuss 22ARC against 6CM in terms of effective killing, recoil, and barrel life, etc... and the secondary topic was to build out a Tikka or buy a Howa Mini. The reasoning behind the cartridges was what really derailed the conversation.

Respectfully, I'm not interested in a 223rem. I know, it's not the group hive mind consensus that others have cumulatively agreed upon. That's OKAY.

Cost and recoil are close enough to not matter to me. (Which, to my understanding- that's where most people argue for a 223 rem). 22-24gr of powder for 223 rem vs 23-25gr of powder for 22 arc. Bullets are the same cost... So then the main cost difference boils down to brass. Hornady 223 brass is around $0.37/pc vs Hornady 22 ARC brass is around $0.87/pc. Not a big deal to me either. I'm going to be reloading these 6 or 7 times, maybe more.

The higher BC and MV of the 88 ELDM from a 22ARC is a benefit that I am willing to pay more for. If you don't think that's a big enough factor, so be it. I won't judge ya.

I think picking the cartridge happens before picking which platform to shoot it from.

Assuming 22 ARC and 6 CM are both legal for all the game you're interested in killing, you might hop over to the Applied Ballistics WEZ calculator and see what has a higher chance of producing accurate hits in your target engagement range. You know as well as we do that the projectiles available to both cartridges are capable of excellent terminal performance.

One caveat - the difference in recoil for a juvenile shooter is going to be substantial and noticeable. Not only is the projectile weight greater for equal BC and terminal effect, the powder volume is greater. For an adult, both fall in the "highly shootable" regime so long as they are chambered in suitably equipped field rifles.

-J

 

[Aussie Dan]

Read this if you haven’t. This question has been asked 1000 times. I went through same thing too.

“I've chimed in on so many different "what rifle for my age XX kid?" threads that I thought I'd try to consolidate my thoughts here.

My oldest son is 14 now, started shooting centerfire rifles at 9. My younger kids started shooting centerfire rifles at between 5-7 yrs old. 5 kids shooting now...

https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/kids-rifle-manifesto.348812/

That post said it far better than I did

 

[Schmo]

The purpose of this thread was to discuss 22ARC against 6CM in terms of effective killing, recoil, and barrel life, etc... and the secondary topic was to build out a Tikka or buy a Howa Mini. The reasoning behind the cartridges was what really derailed the conversation.

Respectfully, I'm not interested in a 223rem. I know, it's not the group hive mind consensus that others have cumulatively agreed upon. That's OKAY.

Cost and recoil are close enough to not matter to me. (Which, to my understanding- that's where most people argue for a 223 rem). 22-24gr of powder for 223 rem vs 23-25gr of powder for 22 arc. Bullets are the same cost... So then the main cost difference boils down to brass. Hornady 223 brass is around $0.37/pc vs Hornady 22 ARC brass is around $0.87/pc. Not a big deal to me either. I'm going to be reloading these 6 or 7 times, maybe more.

The higher BC and MV of the 88 ELDM from a 22ARC is a benefit that I am willing to pay more for. If you don't think that's a big enough factor, so be it. I won't judge ya.

I think picking the cartridge happens before picking which platform to shoot it from.

Man I’d go 22 ARC or 6 ARC. Either will be an excellent choice! For the 22 ARC, the new 88 TMK is gonna be where it’s at. Way less finicky than an 88 ELD, and just as or more deadly. Nice high BC on it. With the 6 ARC, you can run the 95 TMK, 103 ELD-X, 108 ELD-M, or the new 107 TMK. Neither will be a bad choice. I love both 22 and 6mm, so it’s hard to choose between the two

 

[Schmo]

Or, if you want to stay with the Tikka action you already have, pick up a new takeoff Tikka 8 twist 22-250 barrel and run that with the 88 TMK.