22 ARC or 6CM? and what platform?

[BLJ]

You are overthinking the benefits for a 6-9 year old of 88/arc and under thinking the cost, convenience, and killing ability of 77/223.

Thinking the same.

I’d think a 6 year old would benefit more from time in the gun (223) than less wind drift at 800 (22ARC).

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Has anyone been able to get the arcs to feed correctly in a tikka?

All ARC users so far report yes. A couple BR users say yes. Initial reports are positive for Dasher but limited deployment so far.

 

[Aussie Dan]

Run the numbers for the 223 77 tmk and the 22 arc with 88 eldm and put them up here, let's see it. I'm guessing that is is meaningful for wind and a bit less so with

there's obviously a difference, because they are different set ups.
I cant imagine a 6yo being able to shoot the difference though.
As mentioned, i don't think the extra couple clicks of elevation or extra little .2 or whatever mil wind hold is going to make a difference to the user experience.

 

[hereinaz]

there's obviously a difference, because they are different set ups.
I cant imagine a 6yo being able to shoot the difference though.
As mentioned, i don't think the extra couple clicks of elevation or extra little .2 or whatever mil wind hold is going to make a difference to the user experience.

It’s for 6 YO plus, so more can make sense. It’s a starting point.

 

[jesco88]

“Never split the difference.”

Either shoot 77 TMKs out of a 223 or step up to a 6mm (arc, GT, or creed) to enable elk hunting in WY.

You are overthinking the benefits for a 6-9 year old of 88/arc and under thinking the cost, convenience, and killing ability of 77/223.

-J

Cost is kind of a wash. Brass is brass and bullets are bullets. Upfront, any other brass besides 223 will cost 2x, but after 6-8 firings, it kinda levels out. He won't really be able to hunt Idaho until he's 12yrs old. So, from 6yrs old to 12yrs old, it's going to be just MO whitetail, where most shots are under 200yards. I figure that gives him a lot of time to practice and become proficient at target shooting much further than that back home.

I'm wanting something that is more capable than a 223, so it can grow with his shooting and hunting capabilities. Holding wind is not exactly easy to get right and will take a lot of practice. Hence wanting to give him a cartridge that helps mitigate less than perfect wind calls, like most of us want.

10mph full value wind drift 500yds
77tmk @2700 = 21"
88eldm @2775 = 14.9"

That's a big enough difference to matter- to me, at least.

6CM was the original plan, but 22ARC caught my attention for the external ballistics and super low recoil. 22GT/CM is really looking good for running with a normal bolt face and using short action Tikka mags. 22 ARC is a bit cheaper to load for and gives him the ability to buy factory ammo when he gets older.. but maybe a bit more complicated to build a Tikka with.

I have a little bit of time to think it over. I do appreciate all feedback. Obviously, everyone's situation is a little different and everyone's expectations are different. I shoot a lot of 223 and 308, I live right next to miles and miles of BLM land. Its fun to shoot old school stuff, it really teaches you what the wind does and how far cartridges have advanced in the last 15 years.