105 BTHP vs 108 ELD-M - Which one?

[Schmo]

Tried searching, but couldn’t find exactly what I was looking for. I’ve started load dev on my 6 PRC. My hope is that it likes the 112 Match Burner, and it seems to group okay during initial testing, but not amazing. That being said, I want to pick up another bullet to shoot during load dev and see if it’s better. It seems either the 105 BTHP or the 108 ELD would be great. They are super close in BC, so that’s not really a factor. Is one better terminally than the other?

Game is from antelope to elk.

 

[The Guide]

Maybe the 109 ELDM over the 108 ELDM since you have the horsepower to take advantage of the added BC.

Jay

 

[Schmo]

Maybe the 109 ELDM over the 108 ELDM since you have the horsepower to take advantage of the added BC.

Jay

That’s initially what I was thinking, but from what I’ve read on here it seems that it is erratic terminally

 

[bojangles808]

I found this in the 6mm success thread when I had the same question. Seems like another solid option

 

[Schmo]

I found this in the 6mm success thread when I had the same question. Seems like another solid option

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Yeah, I knew he said it was good terminally. Seems to me like he is saying that it penetrates deeper than an ELD-M. Maybe @Formidilosus will chime in.

 

[wind gypsy]

Just me but I'd have a hard time shooting a 0.480 G1 BC bullet (AB's #s on the 105 BTHP) if i went through the trouble to build a hot rod like a 6 PRC.

I dont recall the terminal inconsistency reports on the 109?

I had a bit of a cluster ef on a mule deer with one last year but never identified what actually happened with my first shot. 2nd and 3rd were impressive terminally.

 

[hereinaz]

Try a Berger and the 109 ELDm first. That’s what I will do when my barrel gets here. I will load the 108s just cause.

I have 105s that I shoot in my 6 cm, and the bc is too low to waste time. I would use an ELDx before the BTHP based on ballistics and terminal performance.

 

[Schmo]

Just me but I'd have a hard time shooting a 0.480 G1 BC bullet (AB's #s on the 105 BTHP) if i went through the trouble to build a hot rod like a 6 PRC.

I dont recall the terminal inconsistency reports on the 109?

I had a bit of a cluster ef on a mule deer with one last year but never identified what actually happened with my first shot. 2nd and 3rd were impressive terminally.

Got it! I didn’t realize actual BC on that 105 was that low.

I considered trying some Bergers, but didn’t know which one since the 108EH has seemed spotty in performance. I’m open to suggestions. I really hope my barrel will like those 112 MB after it gets some more rounds down the tube (only 33 rounds on the new barrel so far). If the 109 ELD is terminally great, I’d try those if it doesn’t like the 112.

Here are results from last range trip. The N565 and Grand loads were 5 shot groups, the StaBall HD group is a powder ladder with a 2 grain spread.

 

[wind gypsy]

Got it! I didn’t realize actual BC on that 105 was that low.

I considered trying some Bergers, but didn’t know which one since the 108EH has seemed spotty in performance. I’m open to suggestions. I really hope my barrel will like those 112 MB after it gets some more rounds down the tube (only 33 rounds on the new barrel so far). If the 109 ELD is terminally great, I’d try those if it doesn’t like the 112.

Here are results from last range trip. The N565 and Grand loads were 5 shot groups, the StaBall HD group is a powder ladder with a 2 grain spread.

I dont know that the 109 is terminally great, just hadn't seen much else for negative reports? I have a fuzzy recollection of one other post of questionable performance now that I think of it. I'll probably continue using them unless i confirm a load with the 106 TAPs a little more robustly.. No hurry though because my only western tag is a muzzle loader this year. Very few Fs given about what comes with for whitetails at 5-100 yards.

 

[The Guide]

If you are looking at a 105 the Berger 105 Hybrid and the Barnes 105 Matchburner both have had positive reviews on terminal results in my research. Berger has the BC advantage between those 2.

Jay

 

[waspocrew]

Of the two you originally mentioned, I'd rather go with the 108 ELDM. It's a mean bullet and that line kills well.

The berger 105 Hybrid is also a very solid option.

 

[BearGuy]

OP, I saw you had only 33 rounds down the tube so far. For what it’s worth my barrel wouldn’t shoot sub 2 moa until about 200 rounds in. After 200, it tightened up to sub moa for a 10 shot group.

 

[Taudisio]

That’s initially what I was thinking, but from what I’ve read on here it seems that it is erratic terminally

I haven’t seen any negative, so this would be news to me. I posted my one result in the 6/243 thread. Performed as/better than expected.

 

[Schmo]

Gotcha! Thanks all! My first preference is the 112 MB that I already have, but if that doesn’t work out, I’m open to a Berger or Hornady. Yes, only 33 rounds down the tube. I’m going to get a firing on all my brass before I get super concerned about group size, but wouldn’t mind picking up another bullet to shoot along with the 112 and see if one is a clear winner over the other.

 

[kkp005]

I’ve killed a bunch of deer and hogs with the 105gr bthp … a few bucks in the 230lb - 240lb range which is pretty big for Texas. I’ve got a handful of kills with the 108. The 108 seems softer and opens up faster . The 105 pencils in but opens up good and almost always exits. I prefer the exits for leaving blood trails into thick S Tx Brush. Below are exits sides on 3 different mature whitetail bucks, all killed with 18” and 20” 6creeds shooting factory hornady black 105s

 

[Formidilosus]

Just me but I'd have a hard time shooting a 0.480 G1 BC bullet (AB's #s on the 105 BTHP)

While it has been a few years since I have seriously shot the Hornady 105gr HPBT, they are not a .480 G1 BC. Magically AB consistently causes high impacts when using their numbers for most Hornady bullets.

 

[pathnz]

While it has been a few years since I have seriously shot the Hornady 105gr HPBT, they are not a .480 G1 BC. Magically AB consistently causes high impacts when using their numbers for most Hornady bullets.

One example goes the other way - the AB CDM and G7 (.258) for the .224" 80gr ELDM are both incorrect on the high side for me and result in low impacts. I use 4DOF or the Hornady published g7 of .244 in AB and it's good.

 

[SouthPaw]

One example goes the other way - the AB CDM and G7 (.258) for the .224" 80gr ELDM are both incorrect on the high side for me and result in low impacts. I use 4DOF or the Hornady published g7 of .244 in AB and it's good.

I was just out this morning shooting the 80gr at 760 yards from a .223 and .244 G7 was perfect elevation.