"You can't use a gun for self-protection..."

[j33]

A lot of hate on Canadians on this thread… I’ll keep it simple, crime up here isn’t near as much as an issue as down there. Canada GPI (global peace index) = 1.39 (ranked 12), USA = 2.44 (ranked 139)…. You need your handguns down there for protection, it really is that simple. I mean it would be great to have conservative gun laws like you guys have but frankly you guys need them much more than us.

 

[j33]

Anyone who makes a broad statement such as one entire healthcare system is just better than another can't be taken seriously. Everything at that scale is a list of pros and cons for each method. Dictatorships vs democracy, 2 party vs multiparty, private vs nationalized healthcare, etc.

The debate should be more around which tradeoffs you prefer.

American healthcare is much better than Canadian, unless you’re poor than Canada is much better… You nailed it, governments suck balls at running stuff, the private healthcare of the USA is way more efficient. When I lived in the states tore my MCL, 1 day later I was in for an MRI. In Canada that would be a few months unless I forked out about a grand for a private clinic.

 

[Pikespeak]

A lot of hate on Canadians on this thread… I’ll keep it simple, crime up here isn’t near as much as an issue as down there. Canada GPI (global peace index) = 1.39 (ranked 12), USA = 2.44 (ranked 139)…. You need your handguns down there for protection, it really is that simple. I mean it would be great to have conservative gun laws like you guys have but frankly you guys need them much more than us.

Thats not the reason we have gun laws. When we kicked out the Brits they looked at that oppression and said never again. They wanted an armed populace so that if a power took control like that again they could get rid of it.

For some additional context, at the time, civilian's arms were generally better than government ones because the govt was poor. Additionally, really wealthy individuals would fund their own private militias including the latest cannons. This would be the equivalent to me having an F35 in the garage and a nuke button on my desk.

So the debate about personal protection and should we have "weapons of war" is all irrelevant. Its not about that. And if anything, compared to that time period, we've fallen behind in what we can carry.

 

[oldskool67]

If Canada was worth a shit it would be the 51st state

 

[j33]

Thats not the reason we have gun laws. When we kicked out the Brits they looked at that oppression and said never again. They wanted an armed populace so that if a power took control like that again they could get rid of it.

For some additional context, at the time, civilian's arms were generally better than government ones because the govt was poor. Additionally, really wealthy individuals would fund their own private militias including the latest cannons. This would be the equivalent to me having an F35 in the garage and a nuke button on my desk.

So the debate about personal protection and should we have "weapons of war" is all irrelevant. Its not about that. And if anything, compared to that time period, we've fallen behind in what we can carry.

So you own your current guns now (other than hunting guys) because you think a country will invade or for family security due to crime? Seems most Americans have a heavy self defense arsenal to protect from other Americans, which I think is the right strategy vs prepping for a Russian attack.

I’ve honestly never been worried up here about someone storming my house and attacking my family and me needing to grab a 9mm to shoot ‘em outta the house… I know it’s difficult to understand from your perspective, it’s just a very low crime up here to even worry about, nobody I know here preps for that. If I was in the USA I would sure as hell have more self defense weapons for scenarios like that.

 

[j33]

If Canada was worth a shit it would be the 51st state

You’re right. We have nothing useful up here.

 

[Gutshot007]

I would guess there might be a few folks around who have more concerns about tyranny from our own government and self defense vs "red dawn"

 

[Billinsd]

So the debate about personal protection and should we have "weapons of war" is all irrelevant. Its not about that. And if anything, compared to that time period, we've fallen behind in what we can carry.

According to the Constitution as it was written and its intent we should be able to have the same weapons as our military, to be able to defend ourselves against our government. Activist Supreme court judges and the public and politicians at large have GREATLY watered down "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON" to let's infringe a little bit here and a little bit there for perceived safety. In the last several years where 90% of gun crimes are committed the criminals are released to commit more crimes, while their enablers scream for more restrictions on law abiding citizens. It's incredibly naive, foolish, and misguided at best and evil at worst.

 

[Pikespeak]

So you own your current guns now (other than hunting guys) because you think a country will invade or for family security due to crime? Seems most Americans have a heavy self defense arsenal to protect from other Americans, which I think is the right strategy vs prepping for a Russian attack.

I’ve honestly never been worried up here about someone storming my house and attacking my family and me needing to grab a 9mm to shoot ‘em outta the house… I know it’s difficult to understand from your perspective, it’s just a very low crime up here to even worry about, nobody I know here preps for that. If I was in the USA I would sure as hell have more self defense weapons for scenarios like that.

The original intent wasn’t for an invading country but our own govt becoming oppressive. Why I choose to own guns is irrelevant to the discussion. What we are discussing is why the second amendment exists.

Somehow we have allowed the govt to use crime and safety etc etc to be the focal point of the debate when the whole reason we are supposed to have them is to keep them in check!

And of course Canada doesn’t have a 2nd amendment. You weren’t created from a revolution. Only people coming out of an oppressive regime would have the foresight to have that right baked in. Once a govt consolidates power they’ll never allow an armed populace, it’s a threat to them. And the population always thinks at the time it can’t happen to them even though history has shown it’s most likely a matter of time. So they don’t care about losing the right. Govts don’t ever gradually lose power, they consolidate it. Then they get cocky and start abusing it. Unless you’re Mexico then the drug lords take the power.

Do you think if the N. Koreans ever wise up, throw out Kim and have tons of them die in the process they would want to make sure they have the right to bear arms so they wouldn’t suffer like that again? I’d bet yes.

 

[Billinsd]

I would guess there might be a few folks around who have more concerns about tyranny from our own government and self defense vs "red dawn"

The guy that wrote or produced red dawn movie said the enemy wasn't really the communists it was our own government.

 

[Gutshot007]

The guy that wrote or produced red dawn movie said the enemy wasn't really the communists it was our own government.

Interesting, Dont really care for either .lol

 

[Billinsd]

The original intent wasn’t for an invading country but our own govt becoming oppressive. Why I choose to own guns is irrelevant to the discussion. What we are discussing is why the second amendment exists.

Somehow we have allowed the govt to use crime and safety etc etc to be the focal point of the debate when the whole reason we are supposed to have them is to keep them in check!

No, I believe the intent was both to defend a foreign government, wasn't it war of 1812 that the British burned our Capital? The tragedy is that politicians, mostly Democrats, but also Republicans bend and twist the Constitution to their own ends. Lincoln was the absolute worst Constitution shredder during the Civil War. He ignored the Supreme court regarding habeas corpus and through many Confederate sympathizers in Maryland in jail without a trial or anything. We won that war, but the cost was enormous in loss of life and our liberties!! If THE PEOPLE want gun control the 2nd Amendment should be appealed or restricted via another amendment like prohibition.

 

[Billinsd]

Interesting, Dont really care for either .lol

Either of what? communists, the government, the movie, or the guy that wrote it? LOL!

 

[Gutshot007]

Either of what? communists, the government, the movie, or the guy that wrote it? LOL!

Feds and Reds

 

[Billinsd]

You’re right. We have nothing useful up here.

No, Canada is a wonderful place to visit, friendly people, beautiful scenery, lots of wilderness, oil, hockey, gas, minerals, I could go on and on. However, your Navy, Healthcare, and freedoms are really lacking compared to your Giant, Super Power, Southern neighbor America!! When you you try and put us down we laugh until we cry!!! No Canada hate, none whatsoever, I love our slow neighbors to the North. Take off, eh?

 

[j33]

No, Canada is a wonderful place to visit, friendly people, beautiful scenery, lots of wilderness, oil, hockey, gas, minerals, I could go on and on. However, your Navy, Healthcare, and freedoms are really lacking compared to your Giant, Super Power, Southern neighbor America!! When you you try and put us down we laugh until we cry!!! No Canada hate, none whatsoever, I love our slow neighbors to the North. Take off, eh?

All good bud, I'm just glad you don't hold a grudge from the 1812 British/Canadian invasion that burned the capital, it was just a stepping stone into shaping you into the greatest superpower in the world!

Anyways back on topic, Canada is messed up because of our gun laws. America > Canada. I'm very jealous of what you guys can carry around down there, whether it's for hunting or protecting from Russians. Bow hunting in grizzly country up here while packing a handgun would sure be handy.

 

[displacedtexan]

American healthcare is much better than Canadian, unless you’re poor than Canada is much better… You nailed it, governments suck balls at running stuff, the private healthcare of the USA is way more efficient. When I lived in the states tore my MCL, 1 day later I was in for an MRI. In Canada that would be a few months unless I forked out about a grand for a private clinic.

My dad had two doctors say he needed an MRI for his neck pain, but neither was a specialist, so fortunately he had the cash to pay for it so he can fight with insurance later to cover it.

Yay for American private health care!

 

[scattergun]

Especially when it comes to gun deaths? When did it start mattering how someone dies? How is that a serious point? Personally, Id rather be shot than stabbed or bludgeoned to death.

Then I have good news for you, friend: you’re also less likely to be stabbed or beaten in Canada. It’s a less-violent country overall.

big population difference between the Greatest country on earth and canada... 10x+

The per-capita-rate understander has logged on, folks.

 

[Rob5589]

Then I have good news for you, friend: you’re also less likely to be stabbed or beaten in Canada. It’s a less-violent country overall.

And now you see that it isn't a gun problem, it's a societal violence problem. That is where the focus needs to be. Unfortunately too many cherry pick one thing (guns) to cling to.

 

[*zap*]

The per-capita-rate understander has logged on, folks.

Actually, there is lots more to understand than the per capita #'s...which do not reflect the entire picture. But, you may not see that picture which is understandable. It is e-z to get stats to fit the narratives you want them to fit.