Wyoming’s Wilderness Area Nonresident Restrictions

[robtattoo]

And again, not to push a point, yes it's federal land, BUT they're Wyoming STATE animals. The STATE are doing exactly what you say is ok, restricting/limiting non res hunting of THEIR animals without restricting YOUR access to YOUR federal land.

 

[Trial153]

And again, not to push a point, yes it's federal land, BUT they're Wyoming STATE animals. The STATE are doing exactly what you say is ok, restricting/limiting non res hunting of THEIR animals without restricting YOUR access to YOUR federal land.

Um no they dont. They will still sell you a licence for the unit, even one in hypothetical 100% wilderness unit. At that point if you want to hunt legally you forced to a private entity.
Sounds a bit like Extortion .......

 

[Fatcamp]

I need more Wyoming friends.

Preferably ones with snowmobiles.

 

[cgasner1]

This whole thing seems like it stated here because op is mad that it’s affecting his draw odds if they opened it up and some people applied it might shave a year off but at the end of the day i fell people just fell entitled to hunt premium units every year I work with a guy like that gets pist off when he doesn’t draw which is kind of the point if they gave everyone a tag every other year do you think it would be worth going listen to what guys are saying about Colorado I’d leave Wyoming alone at least they have some kind of management


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[elkhuntrr75]

I am a life member of the RMEF. Let’s see them work their magic. Lol The RMEF is always tooting their own horn about opening up public lands for all. I am pretty confident they couldn’t crack this nut.

I knew that I should have taken my $1500 and bought sheep tickets.


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[elkhuntrr75]

This whole thing seems like it stated here because op is mad that it’s affecting his draw odds if they opened it up and some people applied it might shave a year off but at the end of the day i fell people just fell entitled to hunt premium units every year I work with a guy like that gets pist off when he doesn’t draw which is kind of the point if they gave everyone a tag every other year do you think it would be worth going listen to what guys are saying about Colorado I’d leave Wyoming alone at least they have some kind of management


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Naa. It does reduce my draw odds cgas but it’s more than that. It’s about right and wrong. All the WY residents know that this law is not right but just don’t care because it benefits them. Apparently the outfitters are a powerful force in that state that can’t stand on their own without a handout. It probably didn’t take much, latching on to a couple of state reps. Politicians are really just lawyers. Need I say more.

WY residents keep mentioning that you can get around the law by going hunting with a Wyoming resident or move to the state all together. Well I don’t know one single person in Wyoming and after starting this topic I don’t see them lining up to accompany me, nor am I able to uproot my family and move to that great state. It’s just not in the cards.


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[elkhuntrr75]

I heard this is the place post your WY wilderness bulls...View attachment 136414View attachment 136415View attachment 136416

2008 really. I don’t even have any pictures on my phone from 2008.


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[KurtR]

So what if Wyoming said no Nr license for wilderness but changed the law to allow nr

Wyoming is on my list as the next State I hunt. A boycott from hunting the state will never work, they just have too much to offer.

That said boycotting the outfitting industry there might help influence things. If it starts hitting the outfitters in the pocket book rather than helping them things might change. I’ve got nothing against outfitters, and may use one in the future for difficult pack outs, etc. But screw legalized extortion.

Sarcasm is hard to over the inter web. There are all kinds of injustice in the world but this is one that ain’t changing any time soon. It sucks just like needing a tax stamp for a suppressor

 

[Bronc]

I don’t hunt or apply in Wyoming, so I have no skin in the game. I don’t understand why Wyoming residents like this law so much.
1) regardless of the law, all NR tags for each unit are still all sold.
2) because of this, more NR hunters are concentrated in easier to access non wilderness areas. (Making them more crowded).
3) the NR hunters that do hunt wilderness areas now either have an extra person (Wyoming resident), or a whole slew of extra people (guides, wranglers, cooks, etc.) with them.
4) NR hunters with horses and guides cover way more ground, possibly disturb more game, and are probably more successful at killing an animal.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems more advantageous for the average resident hunters not to have this law.

 

[elkhuntrr75]

Those are just the wilderness ones.

Post yours up so we can compare...oh wait.

You and Trail153 should start up your own hate group against Wyoming resident hunters. I'm sure you'll attract a ton of bitter treestand warriors and upstate new york toughguy wannabes.

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Naa I don’t need to post pictures. Nor would I try and tell you what you should or shouldn’t harvest. There is nothing wrong with being a meat hunter.


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[idahohikker]

I am a life member of the RMEF. Let’s see them work their magic. Lol The RMEF is always tooting their own horn about opening up public lands for all. I am pretty confident they couldn’t crack this nut.

I knew that I should have taken my $1500 and bought sheep tickets.


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Next year’s post:

“I just spent $1500 on sheep show tickets and didn’t draw. I’m pissed. It’s ridiculous a guy can spend that much money on tickets and not draw. I am entitled to a sheep tag.”

 

[elkhuntrr75]

Next year’s post:

“I just spent $1500 on sheep show tickets and didn’t draw. I’m pissed. It’s ridiculous a guy can spend that much money on tickets and not draw. I am entitled to a sheep tag.”

Lol that’s a good one Idaho.


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[204guy]

All the whining on here has motivated me as a resident to get this law changed... Not. Taking a whiner into the wilderness hunting... I'd rather spend the weekend at my mother in laws.

I already have some boycotts going, anybody is free to join me, it's a looooong list. Here's the abbreviated version-
NY - elk, muledeer, mtn goat, bighorn sheep, moose, antelope.
OK- elk, muledeer, mtn goat, bighorn sheep, moose, antelope.
ND - rifle deer, bighorn
SD- elk, bighorn, mtn goat
CO- RFW
MT- bobcat

Edit: I forgot AK. I'm not boycotting them, I'll just play by their rules.

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[Trial153]

All the whining on here has motivated me as a resident to get this law changed... Not. Taking a whiner into the wilderness hunting... I'd rather spend the weekend at my mother in laws.

I already have some boycotts going, anybody is free to join me, it's a looooong list. Here's the abbreviated version-
NY - elk, muledeer, mtn goat, bighorn sheep, moose, antelope.
OK- elk, muledeer, mtn goat, bighorn sheep, moose, antelope.
ND - rifle deer, bighorn
SD- elk, bighorn, mtn goat
CO- RFW
MT- bobcat



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You know you spend every weekend at your in laws anyway. Lol

 

[BuzzH]

Naa. It does reduce my draw odds cgas but it’s more than that. It’s about right and wrong. All the WY residents know that this law is not right but just don’t care because it benefits them. Apparently the outfitters are a powerful force in that state that can’t stand on their own without a handout. It probably didn’t take much, latching on to a couple of state reps. Politicians are really just lawyers. Need I say more.

WY residents keep mentioning that you can get around the law by going hunting with a Wyoming resident or move to the state all together. Well I don’t know one single person in Wyoming and after starting this topic I don’t see them lining up to accompany me, nor am I able to uproot my family and move to that great state. It’s just not in the cards.


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Time to break this down...lets just say you wanted to hunt a designated wilderness in Wyoming. That leaves you with 2 options, either a general tag unit with designated wilderness or a LQ unit with designated wilderness.

The general tag hunting in designated wilderness isn't, IMO, a whole lot, if any, better than most of the areas you can hunt outside the wilderness. In some cases, think thorofare, the hunting probably is more crowded and the competition you'd have from all the outfitters would be off the charts. The average DIY guy in there is really at a huge disadvantage. The outfitters take the best camp locations, they run a shitload of hunters through their camps, they have fresh horses to ride every day, they have cooks, wranglers, etc. All the client and guides have to do is hunt. Assuming you have stock, you're going to have a tough time finding a place to even set your camp, you don't have a wrangler, a cook, a guy to haul meat back to the trailhead, etc. etc.

IMO/E, you're much better off and will see fewer people and have the same, if not better chance at a quality bull in a general unit hunting areas that ARE NOT in designated wilderness. Most of those areas have wayyyyy fewer outfitters and people with stock don't hunt those areas as hard either. A vast majority of the foot soldier elk hunters, wont go much more than a mile or two.

Your next option is to draw a LQ tag for the areas you mentioned in Park and Teton counties within designated wilderness. For starters, your 5 points aren't buying you a thing for those late tags, most are max point tags. Next, you're still going to have competition from the outfitters and you had best have some damn good stock to get you to the best bulls. The bulls in those areas are hard to reach for a foot soldier, the roads getting to Wyoming are going to be real fun pulling a horse trailer, etc. Major pain in the ass all the way around, but no doubt some quality bulls to be had, maybe the best in the State.

I would argue that if your odds are dog crap of drawing the LQ late wilderness hunts, you may as well be applying for the same type of quality outside the wilderness that could offer the same type of bull with a lot less hassle.

I've shot a fair number of bulls in both, and without access to good, and I mean damn good mountain horses, I wouldn't bother with the late hunts in the NW corner of the State. For the average guy, you're better off hunting the non-wilderness LQ tags since your odds, and points required to draw, are likely no worse or in some cases better. The bull quality is probably also pretty similar if you're willing to put the time in and not shoot anything but the top end bulls.

The difference in quality between wilderness and non-wilderness for either LQ or General tags, IMO, isn't worth the amount of extra effort unless you have access to very good horses and mules and enjoy competing with every outfitter in the area.

My 2 cents...

 

[mtnwrunner]

This thread needs to end.

Randy

 

[elkhuntrr75]

Time to break this down...lets just say you wanted to hunt a designated wilderness in Wyoming. That leaves you with 2 options, either a general tag unit with designated wilderness or a LQ unit with designated wilderness.

The general tag hunting in designated wilderness isn't, IMO, a whole lot, if any, better than most of the areas you can hunt outside the wilderness. In some cases, think thorofare, the hunting probably is more crowded and the competition you'd have from all the outfitters would be off the charts. The average DIY guy in there is really at a huge disadvantage. The outfitters take the best camp locations, they run a shitload of hunters through their camps, they have fresh horses to ride every day, they have cooks, wranglers, etc. All the client and guides have to do is hunt. Assuming you have stock, you're going to have a tough time finding a place to even set your camp, you don't have a wrangler, a cook, a guy to haul meat back to the trailhead, etc. etc.

IMO/E, you're much better off and will see fewer people and have the same, if not better chance at a quality bull in a general unit hunting areas that ARE NOT in designated wilderness. Most of those areas have wayyyyy fewer outfitters and people with stock don't hunt those areas as hard either. A vast majority of the foot soldier elk hunters, wont go much more than a mile or two.

Your next option is to draw a LQ tag for the areas you mentioned in Park and Teton counties within designated wilderness. For starters, your 5 points aren't buying you a thing for those late tags, most are max point tags. Next, you're still going to have competition from the outfitters and you had best have some damn good stock to get you to the best bulls. The bulls in those areas are hard to reach for a foot soldier, the roads getting to Wyoming are going to be real fun pulling a horse trailer, etc. Major pain in the ass all the way around, but no doubt some quality bulls to be had, maybe the best in the State.

I would argue that if your odds are dog crap of drawing the LQ late wilderness hunts, you may as well be applying for the same type of quality outside the wilderness that could offer the same type of bull with a lot less hassle.

I've shot a fair number of bulls in both, and without access to good, and I mean damn good mountain horses, I wouldn't bother with the late hunts in the NW corner of the State. For the average guy, you're better off hunting the non-wilderness LQ tags since your odds, and points required to draw, are likely no worse or in some cases better. The bull quality is probably also pretty similar if you're willing to put the time in and not shoot anything but the top end bulls.

The difference in quality between wilderness and non-wilderness for either LQ or General tags, IMO, isn't worth the amount of extra effort unless you have access to very good horses and mules and enjoy competing with every outfitter in the area.

My 2 cents...

I am well aware of what it takes to hunt these areas effectively. I agree with everything that said 100%. I also agree that the average nonresident hunters don’t have what it takes to pull it off without an outfitter. Leveling the playing field I don’t think would change much. I think that the majority of nonresident hunters would still choose to apply and hunt non wilderness grizzly free areas. I would choose to hunt the wilderness areas though if I had the choice.


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[BuzzH]

I am well aware of what it takes to hunt these areas effectively. I agree with everything that said 100%. I also agree that the average nonresident hunters don’t have what it takes to pull it off without an outfitter. Leveling the playing field I don’t think would change much. I think that the majority of nonresident hunters would still choose to apply and hunt non wilderness grizzly free areas. I would choose to hunt the wilderness areas though if I had the choice.


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Oh...and don't forget you'll also be competing against probably 40-50 governor/commission tag holders in those NW Wyoming LQ wilderness areas as well.

 

[Trial153]

Those are just the wilderness ones.

Post yours up so we can compare...oh wait.

You and Trail153 should start up your own hate group against Wyoming resident hunters. I'm sure you'll attract a ton of bitter treestand warriors and upstate new york toughguy wannabes.

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Nah, let it play out. I think this thread does an excellent job of educating Wyoming residents and outfitters on how the out-of-state hunter thinks.

Who mentioned hating Wyomings hunters? Are you having insecurity issues again?
You seem to be incapable of understanding that a conversation about law isnt a personal attack on you because of your residency

As for being bitter, your sorely mistaken, which by the way seems to be a common occurrence for you. If anything you come across bitter more often then not, maybe some self introspection is in order?
I am very thankful that I havent found your attitude to be in any way indicative any of the people I am lucky enough to know from WY.
I am very fortunate in hunting and even more fortunate in life. If nothing else anyone that knows me would say I am overly thankful and grateful. I will be even more grateful as soon as my tour is over and I can go home to my family tonight.
The heart of this is that this is bad law no matter what state it was written in.

 

[sasquatch]

Everyone knows elk only exist in huntable numbers in wilderness areas or places you need to be part goat to get into. Duhh


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