Wyoming proposal to slash Non-resident hunters

[tdhanses]

Just following your numbers (and no I’m not googling anything on my own to verify) Is it 100k resident hunters? 580,000 TOTAL population makes sense. Family of four per average hunting family = 400k people. 400k reliant on hunting. I think 70% for hunting is closer than 20% but definitely just an estimate.

Edit: could be dual hunters per household, so possibly in the 60% range.

Just an est, I didn’t google it either but doubt total resident tag sales are above 100k. Maybe 1/4 of each house buys a tag but for the majority, hunting isn’t a concern. Ranching and energy are bigger concerns.

Guarantee if the majority lost 25% of their income hunting would be the last thing on their mind.

 

[tdhanses]

Are we reading the same thread? Doesn’t take one single tag away from non res hunters? Please stop....

It doesn’t if you want crap units to hunt. This is about resident trophy hunting period.

 

[tdhanses]

Wasn’t long ago WY residents were pandering to all us NR to support wolf hunting, give us money to save the elk, deer, sheep, goats and moose as the wolves are killing them all. Hell I think maybe WY needs more wolves.

Does everyone remember Big Game Forever? Buzz probably worked there.

 

[Bobbyboe]

Your telling me the reason she was voted out was because she ignored hunters? Not because there was actually a republican on the ballot? Looking back through the past elections it appears that district 12 was a one candidate race. Am I wrong?

Oh yeah, she's also on the wildlife taskforce. Maybe we should be emailing her for non resident support.

 

[wapitibob]

Wasn’t long ago WY residents were pandering to all us NR to support wolf hunting, give us money to save the elk, deer, sheep, goats and moose as the wolves are killing them all. Hell I think maybe WY needs more wolves.

Does everyone remember Big Game Forever? Buzz probably worked there.

I think you’ve been around here long enough to know better.

 

[dirtytough]

It doesn’t if you want crap units to hunt. This is about resident trophy hunting period.

Lol extremely funny. Good joke.

The ignorance in this thread is astounding. Especially after 40+ pages

 

[tdhanses]

I think you’ve been around here long enough to know better.

And you should know it’s sarcasm, lol. But the reality is many ask for NR help when it suits them.

 

[25orSo]

For the Eastern/southern/midwestern guys: How many deer tags can you legally fill in your home state. How long are your seasons?

Kentucky: Gun season is 16 days. You can take up to 4 deer total, but only one buck per season in the zone I am in. Other zones have similar or less days and/or less harvest numbers. Resident license is about $70, non-resident is about $350. My zone is one of the better that I have seen.

Tennessee: Gun season is the weekend before Thanksgiving till the 1st week in January. You get 2 bucks per season. In the west third of the state (Unit L) you can take 3 does per day. Resident is again about $70, non-resident is about $230 for a 7 day or $325 for the season. Again, other units have different dates & harvest limits.

Kentucky's license covers all three, G/M/A.
Tennessee is per method.
Buck limits are per season in both, regardless of method.

NR hunting has always been a luxury for those who had the extra time and money to hunt somewhere other than home. It is not and should not be used a a primary source of hunting opportunity.

Hunting is a luxury period, even when hunting at home. The extra time & money still apply at home. You are real lucky if you have the additional time and money to go elsewhere.

Some do not have much to hunt at home especially if they live in a metropolitan area and end up traveling somewhere just to hunt, even if it is in the same state.

I would say it is all about opportunity.

For the most part in the east, public land is limited in comparison with the western states. I'd say most of the public land in the east is state owned rather than Federal.

There are tons of opportunities for NR all over the West

I hope you are right. I'm still looking. Frustrated, but looking.


A lot of money is made by keeping the dream of hunting out west alive.

How many journalists have made careers writing about it? How many magazines have been sold with glossy pictures of Elk, Mule Deer, Big Horn Sheep, etc on the cover. Now days you've go countless POD casts and YouTube channels.

None of those would be worth much if only 10% of the non-residents contributed to them.

Fundraisers for groups like RMEF are nation wide and draw some big revenue. How much would they net if only 10% of the non-residents contributed?

I would say that non-resident interest in hunting out west has made it the big dollar industry it is.

So when you spent a good bit of time reading about the big adventures out west, donated to help the groups like RMEF, wrote letters to help defend hunting, and finally the time comes and you say "It is time to go do this", then you find out just how small 10% is.

Not so glossy anymore.


I keep hearing that this 10% is just about trophy hunting and trophy units.

Ok, how many OTC tags are available to non-residents and how much land access is there to use them on and what are my chances of actually taking a non-trophy elk or muley?

Point me to a good thread on this and I'll leave the trophy room to y'all.

 

[Laramie]

Damn, talk about glass half empty! There are tons of opportunities for NR all over the West, and as has been stated several times, this proposed change doesn't take a single tag away from NR hunters in WY.

It doesn’t if you want crap units to hunt. This is about resident trophy hunting period.

Non-residents are losing 2/3 of the moose tags under a 90/10 proposal. Not everyone is in this for a trophy. Some just want a cow moose. This proposal would effectively mean that close to 10,000 of the 10,700 preference point holders would never draw a moose tag in their lifetime.

 

[Steve O]

Damn, talk about glass half empty! There are tons of opportunities for NR all over the West, and as has been stated several times, this proposed change doesn't take a single tag away from NR hunters in WY.

Your better read that a couple more times. You are wrong. It takes away 60% of the sheep and moose tags available to non residents. It “redistributes” as Joe Biden is doing; the elk, deer, and antelope tags.

 

[slick]

In response to 25- Quote got jacked up.



Well in WY for elk, deer, pronghorn, I don’t think anything is technically OTC unless you buy a leftover. (Please correct me if I’m wrong)
There are all sorts of OTC opportunities across the west, all those articles you mentioned above, have covered it multiple times. I’ll give you one for example.

Oregon Archery Elk (currently)- public land available in Oregon is 33million acres. Some places better than others. Month long season.

Oregon Rifle Spike Tag- OTC (some consider that a trophy (saw it on another thread)) in NE Oregon. 9 units. Roughly did the math on 3 of them over 600,000 acres in public. So likely a couple million at the least available. That’s not counting the spike tags you can draw w/ 0pts

Oregon Cascade Rifle tag- gobs and gobs of public land.

Some areas the archery success is 30%, some areas the spike tag is 15-18%, and the cascade tag has low success- maybe 5% max in a given year? (Should improve with season dates)


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[shootbrownelk]

Hilarious, classic, bet you like all of us NR propping up your economy. Who do you think supports your energy sector, ranching and tourism, all you residents? Do WY ranchers only sell to locals? Non of the energy gets exported right? WY would fail if not for non residents but hey, you could still hunt.

I could careless if SY just looks to line his pockets, he’s a business man, seems residents want to line their pockets with double digit tags. This time around his interests align with non residents.

Be thankful we support your economy, wouldn’t take much for non residents to stop purchasing beef from WY, pressure their congress members to stop all federal land energy production and vacation elsewhere. I’m sure all 600k people in WY can easily support the state without any money coming in from other states or the feds.

Also all your state owned animals are grazing for free on my land, time the residents pay for their feed.

Hey taxpayer. c'mon out and enjoy your federal lands. Just don't shoot any of our animals or catch any of our fish. Stay home and hunt elk.

 

[shootbrownelk]

Careful what you wish for. The feds shut down lands in Alaska last year to only the localist of the locals. Some of you guys are gonna feel awfully stupid when the states are offering 90/10 and feds offer 100/0.

Please wake me up when that happens.

 

[GrosVentre]

Wasn’t long ago WY residents were pandering to all us NR to support wolf hunting, give us money to save the elk, deer, sheep, goats and moose as the wolves are killing them all. Hell I think maybe WY needs more wolves.

Does everyone remember Big Game Forever? Buzz probably worked there.

Do you realize how ignorant you sound. So tell me how much you advocate for NR in your state. Do tell....

 

[LostArra]

Speaking only for elk, deer, antelope.
Why not just add 5 resident bull or buck tags to every LE area?
Limit any hunter, res or NR to two tags per species.
Go ahead and up the NR tag price to something reasonable but maintain the NR tag numbers.
Even with 20% success that's one more dead animal and shouldn't implode the management goals any more than road kill, disease or predators.


I got nothing on the goat, sheep, moose, bison debate.

 

[Htm84]

Please wake me up when that happens.

I think I phrased that poorly. These guys whining about losing NR opportunities thinking the feds are gonna save them are gonna be bummed.

 

[Squincher]

Do you realize how ignorant you sound. So tell me how much you advocate for NR in your state. Do tell....

There is a huge difference between advocating and actively working against. And he's right, too. It's all hands on deck whenever access or wolf issues come up, but if you want to go out and hunt, they act like you're stealing from them. In fairness though, it isn't just Wyoming, it isn't just hunting, and it isn't new.

I haven't done any recreational activities in any western states since 2010, and I avoid working out there whenever I can. But I've been to Africa, Argentina, Canada, and Mexico during that time, without spending very much more than my friends who still buy points and apply for tags everywhere they can. I consider the price difference a well spent premium to avoid being around unpleasant people, and a lot of the posts in this thread confirm that is still the best way to go.

 

[CorbLand]

Ok, how many OTC tags are available to non-residents and how much land access is there to use them on and what are my chances of actually taking a non-trophy elk or muley?

Point me to a good thread on this and I'll leave the trophy room to y'all.

Most western states have some form OTC opportunities for NR. Primarily elk tags but a few have them for deer. Shoot me a PM and I can point you to some states.

OTC are going to have less quality and quantity. Meaning success rates are pretty low.

One thing to remember about the West is that we aren't dealing with the animal numbers the Eastern half does. So if you are looking at your home state saying NR get 4 deer tags for 300 bucks, remember that most residents in Western states only get one deer tag. Hell, I didn't even draw a deer tag in my state last year. Yes, I am a resident and have to draw deer tags.

In 2020 Utah cut 10,000 deer tags statewide due to a late season storm that killed a bunch of fawns. 10,000 tags is roughly 13% of all deer tags in Utah. Meaning that in less than one year 10,000 less people got a general season deer tag in Utah. 2021 does not look like they will be increasing the number of tags back up. So, while you are sitting there saying that residents are just being greedy, we are fighting to keep some of our opportunity as well. Many in the West play the NR game as well.

 

[BuzzH]

Your better read that a couple more times. You are wrong. It takes away 60% of the sheep and moose tags available to non residents. It “redistributes” as Joe Biden is doing; the elk, deer, and antelope tags.

Nope...

Current splits on moose are 80-20 and current splits on sheep are 75-25....can't be the same percentage for both. 50% of moose and 60% of sheep.

 

[Steve O]

Yeah I left goat off there as well as I was really not sure of the split. Main point is there are MOST DEFINITELY tags being lost by nonresidents. Most don’t care that much because the total number of elk tags is remaining the same, they are just being moved from limited entry to general.