Wyoming Passes 90/10: The Worst Article You’ll Read This Year

[Steve O]

I don’t want all “your” tags or to hunt Wyoming every year. Looking for one sheep tag, one elk tag, one deer tag, and one antelope tag over the next 20 years. One tag for me, the other three so I can hunt with my son. Been buying him points for over a decade for when he is done with collage. Was hoping all those points would get me more than a general special tag. Cue the violins…

 

[Rich M]

@Steve O

You followed the rules, bought points, and were planning for a time way in the future.

You sound like an entitled NR, Y'know - the kind that's been ruining WY for years. Sooner your gone, the sooner the drought will end, the game will come back, the skies will clear, and the sun will shine. LOL!

Forget the sheep, and if you already have 10 preference points for each you and Jr. It is time to use em.

I wasn't near as invested as you - 3 years into a 5-8 yr plan for an antelope hunt. Cutting loose to go guided on private. WY can have what they want, no skin off my butt. Just glad I get to do the bucket list hunt.

I hope you and your boy have some fun times.

Cheers!

 

[mlgc20]

I wonder if at some point in the Western states, that the resident non-hunters will object to the discounted prices that their fellow resident hunters get. I doubt they would care that residents get better tags, better access, better odds, etc. But, they might object that many of these resident tags come with a ~90% discount. For example, every sheep tag Wyoming sells to a resident leaves ~$2K+ of revenue on the table. I’m not suggesting Wyoming or any Western state should charge a resident, non-resident prices. Just wondering if the non-hunters might not be super excited about the revenue that is being foregone in order to get more/better tags for the residents.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Wyobohunter>>

Whoa!
Easy there hoss! Maybe your reply was meant for someone else but I'm sure not sniveling about Wyoming's tag allocations.

I used to live there but have hunted Wyo for many years as a non resident and I'll figure out a way to continue hunting there regardless of allocation changes.

Piggly Wiggly????

Reading my own post I can definitely see how it could be taken as flat out mean. Sorry about that. I made the comments partially tongue in cheek and they weren’t directed at you or any individual. While it’s true that I support making the hunting better for us residents at the expense of NR hunters I don’t despise NR’s . They are competitors for finite resources. I have and will continue to be courteous to NR hunters when I encounter them. I’ll even help a fellow out if he seems like my kind of people.
Piggly Wiggly is a southern grocery store chain. The comment was made in jest to imply there is nothing good about anywhere else. Obviously there is something good about almost everywhere. The two years I lived in Duncan were tough but the bass fishing and the bbq were great. Most of the people I met in OK were great people who really loved OK. It wasn’t for me so I left as soon as I could find a job with comparable pay in WY.

 

[wapitibob]

I'm sure most of the NR are aware the number of people in their pool as far as points go? When someone says they are about to draw how close are you? Just curious. I know as a resident it would take over 50 years to burn through all the point holders ahead of me at 8-9 points. That's assuming the only way to leave the pool is by drawing.

Most nr have no clue. They look at their 5 points, see it takes 10 and think they'll draw in 5 years.

 

[dukeball33]

On for sure. Just read some of the posts on this thread bwahah

The big cheese responding to my post… does that mean I instantly go from junior member to WKR???

 

[dieselchessy]

Most nr have no clue. They look at their 5 points, see it takes 10 and think they'll draw in 5 years.

Do you really believe that? With Gohunt, tag this and tag that, Eastmans, the Wyoming website, and just the shear fact that each year they look to see what “it takes to draw” they see the goal moved a little farther away.
How is it you suppose a guy could spend 5 years building points and not notice the points needed to draw the desired unit had increased over that time?

Some folks, yes, but most folks... Give your fellow hunter some credit. Not living in Wyoming doesn’t lower your ability to observe trends.

 

[stonewall]

Piggly Wiggly is a southern grocery store chain.

Can’t say I know much about a Piggly Wiggly - I just know Delmar knocked one over in Yazoo. And while he claimed he was innocent of those charges, it turned out he was lying. But both those transgressions were washed away…

 

[Wyobohunter]

Can’t say I know much about a Piggly Wiggly - I just know Delmar knocked one over in Yazoo. And while he claimed he was innocent of those charges, it turned out he was lying. But both those transgressions were washed away…
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That was a great movie. I’m a fan of the Coen brothers. If you haven’t seen it, “The Ballad of Buster Scruggs” is great.

 

[Wyobohunter]

It’s painful to listen to the “don’t come here’s” and the “this state is already full” crowd…as stated in an earlier reply by Robby, it’s likely you have a lot more in common with the non residents coming to hunt in your state than you might realize. And the idea that “they” are ruining it, is almost laughable. Also, unless you are indigenous to an area, you have no more real claim to a place than anyone else, at some point in time you or one of your relatives migrated there as well. When you’ve lived in a state for ten years and lay claim to it like you were the first one to set foot there you lose any shred of credibility with most folks. And save me the “my family’s been here for 100 years” nonsense. This post isn’t directed at any one person in particular, but these kind of statements get me frustrated. It certainly isn’t productive in any manner.


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Most of the WY residents I know see it the same way I do. It isn’t about how long a person has been here. I live here all year, pay taxes here all year, vote here, spend money here all year. Those things give residents the ability to influence how we manage our resources. I see our big game animals as a finite resource. I see the space in our mountains and desert as a finite resource. I see NR hunters as competitors and if I can help it the amount of them allowed to hunt will be severely limited. I’m not absolutely against NR hunting, hell, I’m probably going to NM next year for Barb. But why wouldn’t I want to have fewer NR hunters competing for the finite resources I mentioned? New Mexico could change it up and start charging $1,500 for a Barb license, that would change my plans but I wouldn’t cry about it. It would be their right to do that if they chose. They owe me nothing. I don’t live, vote or pay taxes in NM. I plan to go down for a week and will not be dumping large amounts of money into the NM economy. I’ll probably eat at a couple of restaurants and might spend a night or two in a cheap motel. I’ll buy a little gas and groceries. If they’d rather keep their limited space free of me and would rather fewer NR take Barb., that’s their prerogative.

 

[Stubborn_bowhunter]

Most of the WY residents I know see it the same way I do. It isn’t about how long a person has been here. I live here all year, pay taxes here all year, vote here, spend money here all year. Those things give residents the ability to influence how we manage our resources. I see our big game animals as a finite resource. I see the space in our mountains and desert as a finite resource. I see NR hunters as competitors and if I can help it the amount of them allowed to hunt will be severely limited. I’m not absolutely against NR hunting, hell, I’m probably going to NM next year for Barb. But why wouldn’t I want to have fewer NR hunters competing for the finite resources I mentioned? New Mexico could change it up and start charging $1,500 for a Barb license, that would change my plans but I wouldn’t cry about it. It would be their right to do that if they chose. They owe me nothing. I don’t live, vote or pay taxes in NM. I plan to go down for a week and will not be dumping large amounts of money into the NM economy. I’ll probably eat at a couple of restaurants and might spend a night or two in a cheap motel. I’ll buy a little gas and groceries. If they’d rather keep their limited space free of me and would rather fewer NR take Barb., that’s their prerogative.

Rather have more DIY NRs competing than outfitters.

A nonresident with a pocketful of hope, and the want for adventure has less impact than other residents literally bringing a NR into your spots to kill shit.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Most of the WY residents I know see it the same way I do. It isn’t about how long a person has been here. I live here all year, pay taxes here all year, vote here, spend money here all year. Those things give residents the ability to influence how we manage our resources. I see our big game animals as a finite resource. I see the space in our mountains and desert as a finite resource. I see NR hunters as competitors and if I can help it the amount of them allowed to hunt will be severely limited. I’m not absolutely against NR hunting, hell, I’m probably going to NM next year for Barb. But why wouldn’t I want to have fewer NR hunters competing for the finite resources I mentioned? New Mexico could change it up and start charging $1,500 for a Barb license, that would change my plans but I wouldn’t cry about it. It would be their right to do that if they chose. They owe me nothing. I don’t live, vote or pay taxes in NM. I plan to go down for a week and will not be dumping large amounts of money into the NM economy. I’ll probably eat at a couple of restaurants and might spend a night or two in a cheap motel. I’ll buy a little gas and groceries. If they’d rather keep their limited space free of me and would rather fewer NR take Barb., that’s their prerogative.

I don’t think anyone is disputing the fact that residents get to decide on tag allocations, that is incredibly clear. However, it is sentiment like yours that will eliminate western DIY non resident big game hunting opportunities in the future. It’s pretty easy to say “Go ahead and end NR big game hunting” when you live in the state with the best resident big game hunting opportunities in the country. Heck, if I lived in WY it would be tough to drive somewhere else to hunt deer, elk, or antelope.

 

[Wyobohunter]

It’s pretty easy to say “Go ahead and end NR big game hunting” when you live in the state with the best resident big game hunting opportunities in the country.

Yes, it is. The hunting was the biggest reason I chose to move back to WY. Where I live is all about that. Therefore I have no interest in living anywhere except WY or AK. I don’t just happen to live here, it was a decision. Where I lived before coming back (OK) didn’t have the kind of opportunities that are important to me so I left.

 

[Glendon Mullins]

Yawl talking about Piggly Wiggly like its something bad, its actually a pretty awesome grocery store!!!

See there people in Wyoming don't know everything!! lol

 

[robby denning]

Yawl talking about Piggly Wiggly like its something bad, its actually a pretty awesome grocery store!!!

See there people in Wyoming don't know everything!! lol

But you gotta admit, that name doesn’t conjure up grocery store in our teeny western brains

 

[wapitibob]

Do you really believe that? With Gohunt, tag this and tag that, Eastmans, the Wyoming website, and just the shear fact that each year they look to see what “it takes to draw” they see the goal moved a little farther away.
How is it you suppose a guy could spend 5 years building points and not notice the points needed to draw the desired unit had increased over that time?

Some folks, yes, but most folks... Give your fellow hunter some credit. Not living in Wyoming doesn’t lower your ability to observe trends.

22 pages on this thread and many have no clue their points have been, and always will be, worthless. 2,100 non residents bought their first sheep point last year. Anybody with 4th grade math skills knows those people will never be in a max pool in the pp side of the draw and have those points used. There are 7,800 with 10 or less and again, those points will never be used in the pp side and at this point is money down the drain.

 

[ScottR_EHJ]

I wonder if at some point in the Western states, that the resident non-hunters will object to the discounted prices that their fellow resident hunters get. I doubt they would care that residents get better tags, better access, better odds, etc. But, they might object that many of these resident tags come with a ~90% discount. For example, every sheep tag Wyoming sells to a resident leaves ~$2K+ of revenue on the table. I’m not suggesting Wyoming or any Western state should charge a resident, non-resident prices. Just wondering if the non-hunters might not be super excited about the revenue that is being foregone in order to get more/better tags for the residents.

It would be tough to put the dots together for the masses.

 

[bsnedeker]

Rather have more DIY NRs competing than outfitters.

A nonresident with a pocketful of hope, and the want for adventure has less impact than other residents literally bringing a NR into your spots to kill shit.

I couldn't disagree more! I'd rather have more outfitted guys than diy. outfitters tend to hunt a lot of private, meaning less competition on public for me.

Also, I've never personally had an outfitted hunter oblivious to wind and thermals blow out an entire drainage. I've seen that numerous times with DIY guys.

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[deadwolf]

22 pages on this thread and many have no clue their points have been, and always will be, worthless. 2,100 non residents bought their first sheep point last year. Anybody with 4th grade math skills knows those people will never be in a max pool in the pp side of the draw and have those points used. There are 7,800 with 10 or less and again, those points will never be used in the pp side and at this point is money down the drain.

It wasn’t until recently that you had the option of NOT buying a preference point when applying for sheep in Wyoming. The 7800 people you reference with 10 or less were required to buy the point in order to apply and they knew they were likely in the random draw for life. Those folks would probably like their money back after having the required point fee eliminated. And now the 90/10.

Now, those people that just got started and bought a point in the last two years at $150 and didn’t need to…that was foolish : )


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[wapitibob]

Fair point