Wyoming Passes 90/10: The Worst Article You’ll Read This Year

[307]

The VAST majority of the sheep are in the designated wilderness areas, so NO they are NOT separate issues.

Pleas explain how one affects the other.

I understand the sheep are in wilderness. I understand you can't hunt wilderness without a guide. But how would you have done things different if WY did allow diy hunting in wilderness?

Would you have drawn a tag earlier?

Would have already used the points if Wyoming allowed you to hunt diy?

The limiting factor is drawing the tag. Nothing about wilderness matters until that point. Your timeline just got a lot longer with the 90/10 rule which has nothing to do with hunting wilderness.

 

[307]

Just noticed WY is getting a few new residents, looks like Kifaru is moving there from CO.

Big mistake IMO, but that's for another discussion.

 

[bsnedeker]

I’ll survive; I’m just trying to keep the misinformation being thrown around to a minimum.

Considering you are the one actively spreading misinformation I don't think you're meeting your goal. You CAN hunt in wilderness in Wyoming.....you just can't do the specific type of hunting you want to do.

Big difference.

 

[Steve O]

This is basic math. How do you guys not understand if a non resident wants to hunt sheep unguided in Wyoming there are basically only two units that can be done in? That limits your ability to draw the tag because it concentrates more applications there into those few units.

 

[slick]

This is a bit off topic, so I apologize. Crickey, the whole Wilderness "closure" to NR in WY is hunting management strategy.

I liken it to the same argument as "Well I drew a Unit 18 cow tag, but I cant hunt federal lands in the neighboring unit 22" my rights are being infringed!

 

[bsnedeker]

This is basic math. How do you guys not understand if a non resident wants to hunt sheep unguided in Wyoming there are basically only two units that can be done in? That limits your ability to draw the tag because it concentrates more applications there into those few units.

Wait a minute here....are you telling me that you have a specific hunt you want to do and you want to do it a specific way (Big horn sheep in WY but must be DIY) that those limitations you are putting on it makes it harder to draw!

GET RIGHT OUT OF TOWN!!!!! Who ever would have guessed!

If I want to hunt elk on public land in Montana but I don't want to do it in the mountains that would also limit me to just a few units. Feel bad for me please!

 

[307]

This is basic math. How do you guys not understand if a non resident wants to hunt sheep unguided in Wyoming there are basically only two units that can be done in? That limits your ability to draw the tag because it concentrates more applications there into those few units.

Because you didn't explain that there are only 2 units available. I'm assuming that those units require more points than other units.

I'm not a sheep hunter. I didn't know that, nor do I care very much.

Basically, if wyoming allowed DIY in wilderness, you wouldn't need as many points to be able to draw a tag.

See, it's not so hard to answer a question.

 

[slick]

This is basic math. How do you guys not understand if a non resident wants to hunt sheep unguided in Wyoming there are basically only two units that can be done in? That limits your ability to draw the tag because it concentrates more applications there into those few units.

Just the price of doing business in Wyoming. You know what you're signing up for.

You know the beauty is... That each state is different and some systems work for some people and others for other people. This is in a similar vein as "Don't come from California to Idaho and make it like California"

If that's your bust- then apply for Rocky Mtn BHS tags elsewhere... Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, Colorado etc. all have opportunities for designated wilderness NR BHS hunts.

 

[Steve O]

Considering you are the one actively spreading misinformation I don't think you're meeting your goal. You CAN hunt in wilderness in Wyoming.....you just can't do the specific type of hunting you want to do.

Big difference.

I give up

 

[Maverick1]

Not advocating, but at some point the view for some jackhole will shift to:
P(poaching, getting cited, and receiving fine) < P(time and effort spent playing by the rules pays off)

Fortunately, this forum is full of the latter.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Not advocating, but at some point the view for some jackhole will shift to:
P(poaching, getting cited, and receiving fine) < P(time and effort spent playing by the rules pays off)

Fortunately, this forum is full of the latter.

Maverick1: I know you aren’t advocating for poaching as a solution so this isn’t directed at you.

Get caught poaching here and you can get much more than a small fine. They can take anything you used including your truck, rifle and gear. You could end up in prison. Your ability to hunt could be revoked (not sure if there is state reciprocity on that) and the fine could be huge. It’s not likely that the math will add up in your favor.

Edit: they also take the animal.

 

[bsnedeker]

Not advocating, but at some point the view for some jackhole will shift to:
P(poaching, getting cited, and receiving fine) < P(time and effort spent playing by the rules pays off)

Fortunately, this forum is full of the latter.

Do you know what the fine is for shooting a big horn? The guys who can pay that fine and not worry about it are not poaching. They are buying governor's tags and chasing marco polos in kajeekystan.

 

[CJ19]

I give up

Dont forget to donate to the corner crossing fund. Some of best squirrel hunting in these western states can be accessed in those checker board blm tracts.

 

[Gutshot007]

Hey guys I'm back after kicking a hornets nest ! My mom made me a peanut butter and light on the jelly sandwich so I had to come up from the basement (joke). Most of my points stated pisssed people off , but when I see people talk about PERCENTAGES, ODDS, POINTS ,MONEY things being FAIR . I get it ,life ain't fair . Most think it's fair when the odds are stacked in your favor . One can twist numbers in your favor. Here's an example. Wyoming is very low population state but huge amounts of federal land . I don't know how much money FEDERAL income tax is sent to DC . Let's say as a state they fund 5% funding for federal land and the rest of the country the other 95% . Should residents only have access to 5 % ? The state keep all their animals on that land. Remember no land /habitat kinda hard to have game even if the state owns it . Is that fair and reasonable ? I personally don't hunt the "big 5". I do the math in my head and cost/odds and time factor don't add up to me. My concern is changes speading like cancer to elk/mule deer . I am not a trophy hunter and enjoy meat. Some things that bother me about Wyoming are indeed the "wilderness" rule . Ok to fish but not hunt? The other is one of my all time favorites is the FULL PRICE NON RESIDENT COW /CALF tag. Wow they always seem to have leftover's ! I have one question . How would YOUR hunting be as a Wyoming resident be if there was no federal land? By the way I like Minnesota hunting/fishing license the way they are. You are welcome here anytime just stay off Red Lake. There's no walleye in it. Also I think we have like 10-15 elk. It's once in a lifetime for resident's with ODDS of getting struck by lightning better. Sorry about non resident no quota

 

[Fordguy]

Ermmm. See statement involving the "national interest" on federal public lands. It's not my language, it's theirs, and there does seem to be a "national interest" in hunting on federal public land.

 

[bsnedeker]

Also I think we have like 10-15 elk. It's once in a lifetime for resident's with ODDS of getting struck by lightning better. Sorry about non resident no quota

If you think people in western states should fight for NRs to have opportunity in their states what are you doing to fight for NRs to hunt MN elk? What's that? Nothing at all... thought never occurred to you? The resource is limited so you're cool with limiting access to it to residents of the state?

Good luck with all that!



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[Gutshot007]

I have lived in Minnesota for 30 years and have NEVER put in for elk. It's a NOVELTY hunt. Kinda like what are you doing to ensure non residents have opportunity to hunt wolverines and grizzlies . Napoleon Dynamite on hunting wolverines " we shot them with a frickin 12 gauge . What do you think !"

 

[Fordguy]

If you think people in western states should fight for NRs to have opportunity in their states what are you doing to fight for NRs to hunt MN elk? What's that? Nothing at all... thought never occurred to you? The resource is limited so you're cool with limiting access to it to residents of the state?

Good luck with all that!



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Holy smokes... This is about as poor a comparison as you could make... again. Minnesota has around 250 elk total at last count and around 550,000 resident hunters. How many of those elk are on federal public land? A quick search of the 2 of the counties that are supposed to have elk didn't turn up any federal land but there are state funded hunting areas and WMAs. Minnesota has 3.5 million acres of federal public land and I'm fairly certain that nonresidents can hunt there. I've looked into a deer hunting canoe trip in the boundary waters area myself.

Wyoming on the other hand has an estimated 110,000 elk and as of last year it had roughly 130,000 resident hunters. How many of Wyoming's elk are on federal public land? My guess is quite a few since Wyoming has roughly 30 million acres of federal public land. So by all means, continue to beat the drum.

You're free to apply in my state, (I don't live in Minnesota) but your odds of drawing here are virtually nil along with my odds and the odds of every other resident. I know people who have been applying for over 20 years and still haven't drawn a tag.

 

[bsnedeker]

Holy smokes... This is about as poor a comparison as you could make... again. Minnesota has around 250 elk total at last count and around 550,000 resident hunters. How many of those elk are on federal public land? A quick search of the 2 of the counties that are supposed to have elk didn't turn up any federal land but there are state funded hunting areas and WMAs. Minnesota has 3.5 million acres of federal public land and I'm fairly certain that nonresidents can hunt there. I've looked into a deer hunting canoe trip in the boundary waters area myself.

Wyoming on the other hand has an estimated 110,000 elk and as of last year it had roughly 130,000 resident hunters. How many of Wyoming's elk are on federal public land? My guess is quite a few since Wyoming has roughly 30 million acres of federal public land. So by all means, continue to beat the drum.

You're free to apply in my state, (I don't live in Minnesota) but your odds of drawing here are virtually nil along with my odds and the odds of every other resident. I know people who have been applying for over 20 years and still haven't drawn a tag.

Good job entirely missing the point. That's like... your thing I guess.

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[Gutshot007]

Group hug ! I give up as well