Wyoming Passes 90/10: The Worst Article You’ll Read This Year

[tdhanses]

@tdhanses
Quoted directly from the WG&F analysis report - "A preference point system will ultimately guarantee an applicant a license."

Quoted from Brian Nesvik, Chief Game Warden - "Preference points were originally intended to provide hunters with predictability and reasonable assurance that over time, their chances of drawing high demand areas would increase. Specifically for nonresidents, they were intended to help hunters predict how often they would draw a tag for their favorite areas."

wapitibob said

"The max outlay for Moose points thru 2021 was $1,570, Sheep was $1,870"

First, the G&F Dept didn't change the system to 90/10. The TF recommended it to the legislature, who passed legislation. So I guess you can sue the State of Wyoming for your max outlay of point money.
Second, your points are still valid, if and when they change to bonus, you will get an equal amount compared to your current PP AND you get to square them!
Third, the second quote above says they were "intended", so you can throw that quote out.

@Rich M you've already asked me about DEA and you obviously don't believe what I said. On another forum Buzz said I was right. There will be no recommendation for 90/10 coming from the TF and without it, it's dead in the water.

Looking at those outlays for points reminds me of the thousands of dollars I've paid to other states and never received a tag and had them change the rules along the way. Really guys?

Guess we’ll see what happens in time, I’m not doing a thing but you are correct game and fish didn’t make the change the state did, I would think the class action if it happened would be against the state and state dept managing it.

Just rough numbers but take an avg of wapitibobs numbers and times them by total participation, hence if anything happened it wouldn’t be one person, not material enough until you add in everyone.

 

[kallred12]

Sure am glad I give up on buying Moose points about 5 years ago. Gonna have to burn my deer and antelope points and then give up on Wyoming

 

[Coveyleader]

No dog in this fight, but you can count on some lawsuits. 4ish million a year, someone will take this to task.

 

[Gutshot007]

This thread kinda sounds like when your kids are fighting over something and can't share. As a parent you say screw it and take it away and everyone loses. Take all the FEDERAL land and have a national auction to the HIGHEST bidder. According to most, you pay to play. Right?. Whoever has the biggest war chest and fattest wallet wins . I can tell you there are corporations, politicians, movie stars and of course rappers with way more money than most of us here. I question how many Wyoming or western state residents have access to PRIVATE land to hunt. Then we all get boned together residents and non resident's alike. I realize the state owns the animal but you can't hunt it without the federal land /access . (And NO! I wouldn't want this to happen ). Stick together as fellow hunters. There's enough outside forces attacking our sport. Ahhh California the land of copper only bullets. Outlaw mountain lion hunting , bear hunting with hounds , they love government dogs /wolves.Vegans bothered flatulence producing cattle destroying the ozone grazing on federal lands . Coming soon to a neighborhood near you

 

[fmyth]

I think I will change my moose application before the deadline to not buy a point if I am unsuccessful in the draw. Don't see any reason to give WY another $150 if it provides no significant benefit to me. I am sure thousands of others will do the same.

 

[JM77]

I think I will change my moose application before the deadline to not buy a point if I am unsuccessful in the draw. Don't see any reason to give WY another $150 if it provides no significant benefit to me. I am sure thousands of others will do the same.

I edited this because you can put the purchase option if unsuccessful fro moose and sheep only.

If you change it, make sure to see before the purchase period is over, if the TF recommends bonus points, which I'm sure they will. You may want to stay in.

 

[Bighorner]

I get being mad, but the time to complain was 6 months ago to the task force. (Hopefully most of you did)

If you want to put your anger to use. Think about the repercussions of transferable land owner tags. You actually have a good chance at deer, elk and antelope right now. Once you pull out landowner transferable tags, it is going to be a bigger hit to odds and these are actually attainable tags and not just for the guys that have been hoarding points.

90/10 is a poor fix for a problem that wyoming didnt see or didn't want to admit too when the preference point system was implemented. We have the chance right not to voice opinions to keep Wyoming from doing the same again by monetizing game with transferable tags and creating another wreck. Trust me once people start to right checks for private transactions for tags theres no going back to fix it. The folks pushing it dont have your interest in mind and now is the time to speak up about to try and stop it.

 

[rodney482]

Sure am glad I give up on buying Moose points about 5 years ago. Gonna have to burn my deer and antelope points and then give up on Wyoming

Right there w you… minus I never bought moose pts.

 

[kwackkillncrew]

So go live in Alaska or Canada, or go buy a place in Utah......

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Ak is full homie.

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[Kimber7man]

The residents will pay more and we need to double the fees for nr doe/fawn pronghorn and deer as well as convert high demand nr type 6/7 cow calf tags to full priced type 4/5.

Why in the world would anyone pay full price for a type 6 cow/calf tag in a unit where the reduced price NR tags are OTC and don’t sell out?

 

[Kimber7man]

Did you really think you had a 25% chance with your points? 25% was percentage of tags in the NR draw, not the chance of drawing

But after reading through this thread, this is one of many mistakes and falsehoods being made. That includes some of the ridiculous statements Guy made in the article.

I have attended every Task Force meeting and spoke one on one with many of the members. There will be no recommendation by the TF to change DEA to 90/10. There will be no transferable Ranch Only tags(similar to RFW). Points for the Big 5, both res and NR are going to be changed to bonus points. PP will stay for NR DEA. There may be discussion on outfitter set-asides, but no discussion as of yet. I have my doubts it will happen. Never say never, right?

90/10, big five was a recommendation of the TF to the legislature to give more tags for these premium species to residents at the request of residents. No, not all 100% of residents wanted or cared, but a majority by a large margin were in favor. The G&F Dept played no role what so ever in supporting 90/10, although both the Director of the Dept and the Commissioner on the TF voted yes in the unanimous decision. All those saying this is a scam by the G&F are wrong. Changing to bonus is a way that every applicant has a chance. The TF was hearing how broke the system already was and is trying to give every applicant a chance with the squared bonus system. This has not reached a final vote yet.

In the end, many people are devoting a lot of time to try and facilitate change and they are well meaning people who have thoroughly discussed some controversial issues. I hope I have cleared up some misconceptions, because frankly reading some of what's on this thread is painstaking.

Thanks for adding clarity, and appreciate the time you spent on this issue.

One question to ponder. Given that the Task Force recommended, and the state has approved, eliminating preference points for the Big 5, why would a NR believe that 90/10 for DEA would never happen? Precedent has been established.

 

[LostArra]

Why in the world would anyone pay full price for a type 6 cow/calf tag in a unit where the reduced price NR tags are OTC and don’t sell out?

I could be wrong but I don't think any non-resident elk tags are OTC in Wyoming.

Thanks for adding clarity, and appreciate the time you spent on this issue.

One question to ponder. Given that the Task Force recommended, and the state has approved, eliminating preference points for the Big 5, why would a NR believe that 90/10 for DEA would never happen? Precedent has been established.

No preference points for goats and bison. I'm not sure about grizzly.

I don't think preference points were eliminated for sheep and moose. They just may become bonus points or bonus points squared.

 

[robby denning]

I gotta say, a year ago this thread would’ve turned into a nightmare. Good to see people can argue, without calling each other names and getting in the gutter. Keep up the good work guys.

There is one person missing, but his ban is lifted next week


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[Kimber7man]

I could be wrong but I don't think any non-resident elk tags are OTC in Wyoming.


No preference points for goats and bison. I'm not sure about grizzly.

I don't think preference points were eliminated for sheep and moose. They just may become bonus points or bonus points squared.

To clarify, Leftovers are available OTC

 

[chasethomas]

If you are a truly against this make sure you are more then a keyboard warrior. Talk with your money. Find the primary challengers to everyone that voted for this and donate to them. Call the people that voted for this and tell them you are doing that and will donate more if they vote for this with elk/deer/antelope. About all you can do except moving there.

 

[tdhanses]

If you are a truly against this make sure you are more then a keyboard warrior. Talk with your money. Find the primary challengers to everyone that voted for this and donate to them. Call the people that voted for this and tell them you are doing that and will donate more if they vote for this with elk/deer/antelope. About all you can do except moving there.

Or just spend that money on land and get your landowner tags, cost about the same overall. Nonresidents will not change votes no matter how much money they dump against those residents agree with or residents don’t care about the issue since it isn’t a negative outcome for them for the most part.

Cheapest option would be to just become a resident and bring your politics with, i’m sure most of us would probably agree with the current politics in WY for the most part.

Some of the cheapest places to live are close to great hunting, Marbleton for one, not far from it in Pinedale tons of homes are going up on small acreages and Jackson isn’t to far away. If your job allows remote working you would only have to live there 7 months of the year but good snowmobiling isn’t far away as well.

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[dreamingbig]

I will definitely not buy a point for the big 5 in Wyoming. I think a lot still will but save your money and go guided in Canada.


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[JM77]

Thanks for adding clarity, and appreciate the time you spent on this issue.

One question to ponder. Given that the Task Force recommended, and the state has approved, eliminating preference points for the Big 5, why would a NR believe that 90/10 for DEA would never happen? Precedent has been established.

I didn't say it would never happen, but it won't happen with this TF. The outfitters, yes outfitters, who voted for 90/10 for the big 5 have made it clear they will have no part in 90/10 DEA. Many of the other members have told me it's a non-starter. If it doesn't gain momentum in this TF, it's collecting dust on the shelf for sure. In the future, residents would have to build a strong coalition to get it rolling again and even then I have my doubts.

To answer another question, reduced price elk tags sell out in most areas in the draws and are not OTC. In fact every year they are harder to draw, Res and NR. There is no doubt for all hunters they are very underpriced. The only reason those prices haven't gone up is that they must go through the legislature. We will see higher reduced price tags in the future and more opportunity for R & NR to hunt cow elk.

 

[Bobbyboe]

Anyone in the know, why did the task force propose point squaring? Seems like lipstick on a pig.

Squaring won’t eliminate creep.

 

[JM77]

Anyone in the know, why did the task force propose point squaring? Seems like lipstick on a pig.

Squaring won’t eliminate creep.

Bonus point draw is random, there is no point creep.