Wyoming nonresident proposal

[tdhanses]

lets say wyoming sees $10,000,000 from resident hunt license from 300 people and $30,000,000 from NR from 100 people.

what do you think wy.gov will do if they go from grossing $40,000,000 to maybe $20,000,000.

do you think they will increase the NR tags?
R tags?
NR fees?
R fees?

face it...they will want to make up any difference somewhere. they are quickly approaching pricing out NR's..who will be left?

Thing is, that will never happen, there are a very limited number of tags allocated to NR, they could increase the price substantially and they would still all sell to NR.

 

[Rich M]

I don't understand this rich man poor man stuff. If you can afford to travel hunt, you are wealthy. Might be "cheap" but are wealthy to be able to toss that at a hunt.

The whole guide thing - folks have been keeping guides in business for generations, it isn't new and they are about all booked-up for this year and are booking next year. Many guides work solely off repeat business.

With the $ increase, more folks may begin to treat the idea of western hunts as once or a couple times in a lifetime and pay the money - whatever it may be. The idea that a NR has to hunt out west every year comes from clever marketing.

 

[sasquatch]

I’m pretty much priced out for a while. If I could sell back my 13 points I would.

You ever want to hunt general elk let me know. I’ll buy your application to average points with me


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[wind gypsy]

RE blaming residents - foggy memory here but maybe someone can clear it up for me. IIRC the task force was setup when they were trying to work through the 90-10 for moose/sheep/goats which was driven by resident demand. Ever since the task force (stacked with outfitter interests) has been trying to allocate themselves more ways for big money $ NR to buy their way to the front of the line over common man DIY types. I don't necessarily blame residents for the whole deal but that was the chain of events. I've seen a lot of residents go out of their way to push against outfitter welfare.

That same guy that got booted was in favor of this, most of the things he was in favor of the task force has taken into consideration and discussed, guess it helps he has the task forces ear?

False. He's done just the opposite trying to help folks push against the fee increase and 50/50 allocation.

WY NR 50-50 special/random split...comment now

This post is for the NR hunters mostly, but I'll be opposing moving the tag split between special and random to 50-50, currently there is 60% regular fee, 40% special fee. Time for NR's to comment, single question on the public input link...

www.hunttalk.com

My guess is the avg resident does’t care what happens to the NR, they are more concerned with outfitter welfare overall, to a point, as many will have family and friends that work in the industry and want to see them continue to do what they enjoy.

The average resident doesn't care what happens to the NR hunter. However, the average resident hunter is also often frequently at odds with the outfitters so lots of them are happy to fight against outfitter welfare.

 

[tdhanses]

RE blaming residents - foggy memory here but maybe someone can clear it up for me. IIRC the task force was setup when they were trying to work through the 90-10 for moose/sheep/goats which was driven by resident demand. Ever since the task force (stacked with outfitter interests) has been trying to allocate themselves more ways for big money $ NR to buy their way to the front of the line over common man DIY types. I don't necessarily blame residents for the whole deal but that was the chain of events. I've seen a lot of residents go out of their way to push against outfitter welfare.


False. He's done just the opposite trying to help folks push against the fee increase and 50/50 allocation.

WY NR 50-50 special/random split...comment now

This post is for the NR hunters mostly, but I'll be opposing moving the tag split between special and random to 50-50, currently there is 60% regular fee, 40% special fee. Time for NR's to comment, single question on the public input link...

www.hunttalk.com

The average resident doesn't care what happens to the NR hunter. However, the average resident hunter is also often frequently at odds with the outfitters so lots of them are happy to fight against outfitter welfare.

He was all for doubling tag fees for NR with no allocation change many months ago before being booted.

 

[littlerhorner]

That same guy that got booted was in favor of this, most of the things he was in favor of the task force has taken into consideration and discussed, guess it helps he has the task forces ear?

My guess is the avg resident does’t care what happens to the NR, they are more concerned with outfitter welfare overall, to a point, as many will have family and friends that work in the industry and want to see them continue to do what they enjoy.

The increase in cost for a tag is minimal for the overall cost of an outfitted hunt even with the increase.

That is not an accurate statement. There was an overwhelming response fron residents to stop the outfitter set aside tags. That directly benefits the NR DIY hunter.

You can say whatever you want. But the vast majority of resident comments I read called for a pretty even handed approach. The rise in the special draw price reflects the demand.

 

[BarCO]

lets say wyoming sees $10,000,000 from resident hunt license from 300 people and $30,000,000 from NR from 100 people.

what do you think wy.gov will do if they go from grossing $40,000,000 to maybe $20,000,000.

do you think they will increase the NR tags?
R tags?
NR fees?
R fees?

face it...they will want to make up any difference somewhere. they are quickly approaching pricing out NR's..who will be left?

What makes you think they are close to pricing out NR?

 

[String&stick]

Wyoming considers change to nonresident elk hunter cap

The group sent a recommendation to the Game and Fish Commission in June suggesting the 7,250 cap on nonresidents, implemented in the 1980s, be changed.

helenair.com

Anyone read on this? Sounds like they are looking to remove the non resident cap but possibly lower the amount of tags (sounds like general tags) going to non residents through regional quotas, a la Idaho.

 

[wapitibob]

Wyoming considers change to nonresident elk hunter cap

The group sent a recommendation to the Game and Fish Commission in June suggesting the 7,250 cap on nonresidents, implemented in the 1980s, be changed.

helenair.com

Anyone read on this? Sounds like they are looking to remove the non resident cap but possibly lower the amount of tags (sounds like general tags) going to non residents through regional quotas, a la Idaho.

it's all on the dept web site including regions, quotas, and timeline

 

[Trackerbacker]

What makes you think they are close to pricing out NR?

Anecdotally, how many have commented that they are now priced out?

Empirically, need to wait to find out

It'll continue, and wyoming will gradually go resident or outfitter for our kids

 

[Trackerbacker]

Thing is, that will never happen, there are a very limited number of tags allocated to NR, they could increase the price substantially and they would still all sell to NR.

I don't deny that

 

[tdhanses]

That is not an accurate statement. There was an overwhelming response fron residents to stop the outfitter set aside tags. That directly benefits the NR DIY hunter.

You can say whatever you want. But the vast majority of resident comments I read called for a pretty even handed approach. The rise in the special draw price reflects the demand.

Yes but that was because the majority didn’t want outfitters to get a bone, not to save NR opportunities and cash. Also what I said is residents are more concerned with outfitter welfare, meaning they don’t want outfitters getting it, hence what you replied, residents were only against 50/50 because of the guarantee to outfitters.

Residents for the most part could careless about NR costs and opportunities but WY isn’t alone, many state residents could careless about NR’s.

If all tags costs for NR were doubled tomorrow R wouldn’t say much.

 

[3325]

…….they are quickly approaching pricing out NR's..who will be left?

I can believe Wyoming might be quickly approaching pricing out the average nonresident from the special draw. But that’s not the same as what you wrote.

Still, I’d bet those NR special draw tags sell. Because there’s plenty of people who pay to hunt abroad.

 

[Trackerbacker]

I can believe Wyoming might be quickly approaching pricing out the average nonresident from the special draw. But that’s not the same as what you wrote.

Still, I’d bet those NR special draw tags sell. Because there’s plenty of people who pay to hunt abroad.

What'd I write?

 

[Fatcamp]

Well, however it got started they sure have a mess in their hands now.

 

[wytx]

That same guy that got booted was in favor of this, most of the things he was in favor of the task force has taken into consideration and discussed, guess it helps he has the task forces ear?

My guess is the avg resident does’t care what happens to the NR, they are more concerned with outfitter welfare overall, to a point, as many will have family and friends that work in the industry and want to see them continue to do what they enjoy.

The increase in cost for a tag is minimal for the overall cost of an outfitted hunt even with the increase.

No he was not in favor of this, but you can't ask him directly now can you? Has the Task Force's ear, lol.

Simply read the comments left by Residents on the WTF page, it clearly shows the vast majority are not in favor.
Go read the comments. Residents do not want the outfitter welfare, not by a long shot.
If you think resident hunters by and large support outfitters you could not be more wrong.

Your opinion of resident hunters is skewed by your dislike of one person.
We do care about our friends and family being able to come hunt with us.

 

[3325]

What'd I write?

That Wyo was pricing out NRs. And I wrote pricing out the average NR from the special draw.

 

[Trackerbacker]

That Wyo was pricing out NRs. And I wrote pricing out the average NR from the special draw.

Let me rephrase...

Wyoming is heading the direction of pricing out non residents to the point that in the coming years, a non residents points won't be enough, and their option will be big check to an outfitter.

Or

Wyoming is heading the direction of pricing out non residents for good, unless they pay big boy money to an outfitter.

Or

Wyoming is pricing out Non residents.

Take your pick. It's all the same result, person x asking .gov for help, .gov making it worse for person y and z. It'll eventually be knocking on residents doors.

Edit
Me personally, I'd go the direction of buying the crappiest piece of land, skirt every law I can by being in the gray area, establish residency, become "resident", pay little money.

In my mind, I'm obligated to use the law and what is not outlawed, to my advantage. I do it with my companies, my vehicles, my properties, and my licenses, I see no reason to not apply that to hunting.

"If you're living within your means, you choose not to afford imagination"

 

[wytx]

^^^^ go for it,. Make sure you actually live here for the required time. We'd love to see your "crappy" new place.

Buzz did not press for doubling fees , he merely went to that route after endless bickering and residents getting called greedy by NR over proposal we had nothing to do with. He never pushed for doubling fees just states it would be fine after all the name calling. Go read the comments a show me where he pushed for doubling fees, comments submitted to the WTF or to WG&F at meetings? Things said on here are laughable sometimes and not what gets submitted .
Some are real fixated on what Buzz says I see.

Again go read the comments submitted and you will see residents are not in favor by and large for the dramatic increase in NR licenses. Many reasons are given but I guess even with us speaking up on your behalf it is not enough for some.

Anyway, NR will still buy every license available to them, might just be ones with more income than some on here it seems.

The lifting of the NR elk cap could lead to more NR elk licenses or less depending on quotas set that year. I think they are going the % route on available licenses. WapitiBob has the scoop on that I bet. Regional general tags are also on the block for NR to help with crowding.

 

[Trackerbacker]

^^^^ go for it,. Make sure you actually live here for the required time. We'd love to see your "crappy" new place.

the thing about 'living' somewhere, is they usually only care about time 'spent' and what represents that time 'spent' is a very small threshold, legally, and usually time 'spent' refers to money, and money in this case usually, again, its a small and probably beneficial threshold as is.

at that point, you are only limited by your own imagination.

but, here am i, owning companies inc'd in delaware, license plates to gray states, id address to state beneficial regarding taxes, all under the letter of the law.

makes it hell when im pulled over for speeding-->hi officer, yes, the vehicle is registered to X in Y state that leases to Z in F state, and i own X and Z and yes i live in B state where i rent that id address from G company...

...I dont like giving a red cent to .gov.