Wyoming Non Resident Preference Point Increase

[BowBaboon]

YEah, get rid of some GD beetle kill !

Maybe this price increase will allow them to afford all the rakes so they can clean up the forest floor.

 

[KHNC]

I'll take WY and $75 points, over ID and NM's more expensive non refundable license, and no points,
every
single
year

we know

 

[KHNC]

Maybe this price increase will allow them to afford all the rakes so they can clean up the forest floor.

I saw a crew with pitch forks out doing it last week.

 

[craymond406]

That’s a bummer. Seems like every state is going that direction. I’ve got enough points to start drawing. looks like I better s&#t or get off the pot.

 

[Macintosh]

Im guessing the price of g&f wages and benefits are the biggest driver of the dept’s cost increase. Its the biggest line on most organizations books, so it would stand to reason. Anyone know?

If thats true, then we can blame the skyrocketing price of health insurance, housing, gas and groceries for this.

 

[BLJ]

You could explain - A chance to draw a general season tag in 5 to 6 years assuming there’s not more point creep, which they’re almost as guaranteed to be, than you could be looking oh my 7 or 8.
I wouldn’t even get into the ever present threat of switching DEA to 90-10

That should get them excited about applying.

So $400-$600 over a 5-8 year period just for a chance?

 

[CorbLand]

I understand your perspective.

I would argue they do owe non-residents to a degree because we pay for the majority of the system.

If Wyoming wants to raise resident costs to $300 bucks a year to exclude non-residents. They would absolutely have the right to tell us to pound sand.

I cant speak for anyone that lives in Wyoming but I'd guess a lot of them would take that deal. Politicians are just too scared to raise cost for their own constituents.

Nonresident of most states fund many states Fish and Game agencies but they don’t owe nonresidents anything. They simply say, “we are willing to give up tags in return for you funding the majority of our agency.”

Animals are held in trust by each state for the residents of their state. If those residents decide that they don’t want any tags given to nonresidents, they can do that. That is their right as citizens of that state.

Does that mean that there isn’t consequences? No.

One day the needle will tip and all the residents are going to complain about their prices going up because nonresidents arent contributing as much. Guess what? I will be one of the people saying “No shit? You priced them out and expected them to keep coming?”
I say the same thing about the support for public land. You can’t keep shutting people out and expecting them to show up with support.

But every time this happens. People act like Wyoming or whatever states owes them the ability to hunt there and that is simply not true. It’s a privilege and if you want to hunt there you pay/do what that state says. Don’t like it? Move there.

Western states have written the book time and time again on how to lay the pipe to nonresidents and eventually, it’s going to bite them in the ass. But when people come in and act like they are owed something from a place they don’t reside in, it’s not helping.

 

[826]

The optimist in me thinks this will help the point creep a little.

Except I have enough points for Deer & Antelope that anyone with a similar amount is gonna be too invested to stop now.

But I can start buying for my kid in a couple years so maybe he'll have less people in front of him now.

 

[mt terry d]

“The chance to hunt in a state that owes me nothing as I am not a resident there.” That’s the answer.

I should have been more specific.
I'm referring to buying points.

You are guaranteed absolutely nothing for the $75 fee.

It's a lottery ticket that may never be in the actual drawing.

I'd argue that all US citizens are owed the same federal access and recreational activities at the same cost on federally owned lands.
"Equal treatment under the law" and all that jazz.

 

[BigBird69]

I've never seen so many people so excited to bend over and take it up the a$$. Just remember, they'll keep increasing prices and at some point you won't be able to afford it.

 

[826]

I should have been more specific.
I'm referring to buying points.

You are guaranteed absolutely nothing for the $75 fee.

It's a lottery ticket that may never be in the actual drawing.

I'd argue that all US citizens are owed the same federal access and recreational activities at the same cost on federally owned lands.
"Equal treatment under the law" and all that jazz.

First, I'd argue that not all hunting takes place on Federal Land so that isn't really relevant.

Second, nobody is limiting your access to Federal Land for being a non-resident, they are limiting your access to wildlife that is controlled by the states.

 

[CorbLand]

I should have been more specific.
I'm referring to buying points.

You are guaranteed absolutely nothing for the $75 fee.

It's a lottery ticket that may never be in the actual drawing.

I'd argue that all US citizens are owed the same federal access and recreational activities at the same cost on federally owned lands.
"Equal treatment under the law" and all that jazz.

I agree. One has to run a cost/benefit for their own situation and make the best decision for them.

You do have equal access to federal land and the activities on federal land but the animals are not the feds, they are the states to manage as they see fit. You can hunt federal land all you want but the state gets to say what you can and can’t hunt. You do have equal access under the law because the law states exactly what is happening.

I have been through this same argument many times and people are going to disagree with me but facts are facts and truth is truth.

The facts and truth are the animals are the states and they don’t owe nonresidents a thing.

It sucks, I agree. I am nearing double digits in Wyoming points. They have me by the balls to be honest but I willingly gave them the rope.

Maybe one day I will pack my shit up and move there but to be honest, it’s cheaper to pay the nonresident prices than to deal with living there.

 

[bowhuntercoop]

I got 7 elk and 7 deer points. Burning a tag for each in the coming years, then I will be done. Juice ain’t worth the squeeze imo anymore.

As mentioned above I can hunt South Africa cheaper then a Wyoming elk hunt. That’s silly.

The older I get, the more I love my dozen or so deer tags and unlimited pigs. Loosing the desire to pay these crazy prices year after year to go out west. The glory days are over imo.

 

[bozeman]

I've never seen so many people so excited to bend over and take it up the a$$. Just remember, they'll keep increasing prices and at some point you won't be able to afford it.

If it's a priority you will find a way to afford it. I've never seen so many grown men cry cuz they don't want to put forth the effort to afford something. Too many on 'hunting welfare' and expecting states to let them hunt cheap. You want to play, pay up. Don't have the $$, get another job or stop spending as much. Don't like it, buy your own land.

 

[Macintosh]

I dont really think it should come as a surprise to anyone that it gets folks riled up to be used as nothing more than a cash cow on a resource that by and large happens on federal public land where we all contribute equally, resident and nonresident. Yes, I know wildlife is separated from land for a GOOD reason, but it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. There IS a clear correlation to peoples support for public land and their connection to that land, so there is a reason to keep hunting accessible to average-income non residents in that sense.

A few years ago a wy general elk tag was a couple years of points. Now its at least double that. Ive got a year or two more until I’ll draw. Im only in my 50’s, but its looking more and more like its not out of the realm of possibility that my next wy general elk tag will be a once in a lifetime tag for me. That certainly has me evaluating whether its worth it to even bother buying points after I draw that tag, regardless of whether thats $50 or $75.

Frankly, I dont think there is much of a future in non-resident western big game hunting. Imo before long the odds will be so low that it’ll be a once in a lifetime thing for almost anyone regardless of what they can afford. Id rather put my energy into something I can do more often. I think if very many people take that attitude the floor will drop out of wyomings and other western states funding math, and then residents will have some real hard choices to make.

 

[826]

I got 7 elk and 7 deer points. Burning a tag for each in the coming years, then I will be done. Juice ain’t worth the squeeze imo anymore.

As mentioned above I can hunt South Africa cheaper then a Wyoming elk hunt. That’s silly.

The older I get, the more I love my dozen or so deer tags and unlimited pigs. Loosing the desire to pay these crazy prices year after year to go out west. The glory days are over imo.

Depends how you look at it, for those of us that pay the price to live out here year 'round the glory days might just be coming back

 

[Steve O]

The optimist in me thinks this will help the point creep a little.

Except I have enough points for Deer & Antelope that anyone with a similar amount is gonna be too invested to stop now.

But I can start buying for my kid in a couple years so maybe he'll have less people in front of him now.

I don’t care how much of an optimist you are, that’s a pipe dream and will never happen.

 

[bowhuntercoop]

Depends how you look at it, for those of us that pay the price to live out here year 'round the glory days might just be coming back

100 percent. No elk, sheep, or deer is worth it to me though to live there lol. My grandparnets live there.

I will gladly take my lifetime free hunting licence in SC and the heat, humidity, tiny deer and pigs over one winter of living out there.

Love visiting and hunting, but the cost is crazy these days. Africa is cheaper and I get plenty of shots with the stickbows at critters.

I have more then enough money and time to support my hobbies, but it’s loosing its charm for me for sure with the current cost and the way the system is. More bang for the buck to hunt other countries, that’s crazy lol

 

[Jethro]

I understand your perspective.

I would argue they do owe non-residents to a degree because we pay for the majority of the system.

If Wyoming wants to raise resident costs to $300 bucks a year to exclude non-residents. They would absolutely have the right to tell us to pound sand.

I cant speak for anyone that lives in Wyoming but I'd guess a lot of them would take that deal. Politicians are just too scared to raise cost for their own constituents.

You’ll find very few WY residents that want non residents completely excluded.

Tags should be cheap for residents regardless of what state you live in.

 

[Bannedinshortorder!]

Every time I log in and give a state my draw money it makes me feel like some dude in a hunting magazine's glossy picture.
Pathetic what it has all become these days.

I was hunting when hunting wasn't cool.