Wyoming 2020 deadline

[wind gypsy]

I guarantee some folks resist applying elsewhere because they already have money tied up in the WY draw. To what extent is debatable.

 

[menhaden_man]

Can’t remember if this thread was about complaining or the draw date, but a friend just sent this:

Alert: New 2020 Wyoming nonresident elk draw result date change

Big implications for 2020

www.gohunt.com

 

[Jardo]

I'm in the process of talking with a Wyoming outfitter about 2020 elk. I figured Wyoming would be a good state to use an outfitter due to the wilderness laws. When he mentioned the draw being pushed back to May, my first question was did they push back the application deadline too? No (he didn't think so).

So now I have to pay him a $1900 deposit and give the state $700-$1300 in January. Only to wait in uncertainty until mid-May. The outfitter does have a policy for a full refund if cancelled by June 1st. But the more I think about the money and dates, the more I think it all sucks. I may be putting Wyoming elk back on the DIY list.

Don’t pay a deposit. That’s stupid. Your chances of drawing without points are low.


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[Indian Summer]

I’m sure the outfitters did lobby to keep the application date the same and I can understand why. But I bet they weren’t happy about the dates of the withdrawal and draw results .

 

[Fatcamp]

No, they will get the same number they always have...7,250 full price elk licenses and 16% of all LQ licenses.

Pretty simple, its in statute...

But previously they were awarded more than their fair share of high value LQ tags due to being awarded prior to the biologists doing their work. Correct? Wasn't that the whole point of pushing for this change? To eliminate that disparity?

 

[dreamingWest]

Don’t pay a deposit. That’s stupid. Your chances of drawing without points are low.


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Not stupid. I've got enough points to draw in the regular draw. Applying as a group puts us in the uncertain zone for the special draw. I don't mind fronting the money, but some friends don't share that sentiment.

 

[jt4]

Can’t remember if this thread was about complaining or the draw date, but a friend just sent this:

Alert: New 2020 Wyoming nonresident elk draw result date change

Big implications for 2020

www.gohunt.com

Good info. thanks

 

[MallardMaster]

It is what it is. If you want to play, then we need to pony up the money and wait. If not, there are other states out there as well. As a non-resident I don't have a leg to stand on here. It certainly could be a little more smooth though from application to award. I am fortunate enough that the deposit I put down with my outfitter transfers from year to year.
I just proceed forward with the attitude that its 'All about the Adventure' and until I am able to come back to Wyoming Elk hunting, I will fill my time up with visiting other places and meeting new people!

 

[BuzzH]

But previously they were awarded more than their fair share of high value LQ tags due to being awarded prior to the biologists doing their work. Correct? Wasn't that the whole point of pushing for this change? To eliminate that disparity?

No, by LAW the NR hunters are awarded 16% of LQ elk tags...not 15.9%, not 16.1% (with the exception of over-issuing due to a party application). They are also limited, again, by LAW to 7250 full price elk tags.

In some cases, NR hunters were not getting any LQ tags in new seasons approved by the commission in April. 100% of the those tags were going to residents.

The whole point of the change was to give biologists the time they needed to manage elk correctly, collect the pertinent data, allow the public process to happen, and allow the commission to correct anything to do with elk seasons, dates, license types, errors in regulation, etc. etc. PRIOR to anyone drawing a single tag.

IF NR hunters lose a few LQ permits that they were never entitled to by LAW, well, that's a good change as well...but a small, ancillary benefit.

Like I said, NR hunters will still get the exact same number of full price elk tags they always have...7250. If you don't like the change, fine, but quit trying to find a reason to be pissed about it.

The change corrects the problems the early elk draw was creating, that was the "whole point".

Lots of places to hunt elk if you don't like the new way Wyoming Residents have decided to manage their drawing and elk.

 

[BuzzH]

Not stupid. I've got enough points to draw in the regular draw. Applying as a group puts us in the uncertain zone for the special draw. I don't mind fronting the money, but some friends don't share that sentiment.

I'd be hunting alone or finding some new friends.

First sign of a bad hunt about to happen is when your "hunting friends" start to waffle...seen it.

 

[Forest]

I guarantee some folks resist applying elsewhere because they already have money tied up in the WY draw. To what extent is debatable.

Yeah that's going to go both ways. Either not be able to float the funds to apply in other states, or not apply in wyo to be able to apply in others. Either way I doubt itll be significant enough to affect the odds.

I dont really understand the need for giving outfitters a deposit, it's not like New Mexico where there is a different draw pool if you commit to an outfitter. If you for certain have enough points then I can understand reserving a spot with an outfitter that you really want to use. Otherwise forking up that money and playing the random draw game doesnt make much sense to me.

The fact that I can get most of my money back after most all other states have their draw results out keeps me in the game. In fact for me personally I prefer the later draw. Later app deadline would be nice tho

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[Thomas11]

No, by LAW the NR hunters are awarded 16% of LQ elk tags...not 15.9%, not 16.1% (with the exception of over-issuing due to a party application). They are also limited, again, by LAW to 7250 full price elk tags.

In some cases, NR hunters were not getting any LQ tags in new seasons approved by the commission in April. 100% of the those tags were going to residents.

The whole point of the change was to give biologists the time they needed to manage elk correctly, collect the pertinent data, allow the public process to happen, and allow the commission to correct anything to do with elk seasons, dates, license types, errors in regulation, etc. etc. PRIOR to anyone drawing a single tag.

IF NR hunters lose a few LQ permits that they were never entitled to by LAW, well, that's a good change as well...but a small, ancillary benefit.

Like I said, NR hunters will still get the exact same number of full price elk tags they always have...7250. If you don't like the change, fine, but quit trying to find a reason to pissed about it.

The change corrects the problems the early elk draw was creating, that was the "whole point".

Lots of places to hunt elk if you don't like the new way Wyoming Residents have decided to manage their drawing and elk.

This whole argument about NR getting fewer LQ tags now vs over allocating previously can’t amount to many tags? I mean I’ve watched their allocations for years for their season and bag limits they don’t vary much. So I would think on any one yr this wouldn’t amount to but a few tags? And at the end of day, if we get fewer LQ tags then it’s made up for w general tags so to me this a mute point. My only issue is the Jan 31 deadline. There is no reason for it other than the WYOGA greed. I voiced my opinion on it when they had their comments period last yr. that’s about all I can do

 

[BuzzH]

This whole argument about NR getting fewer LQ tags now vs over allocating previously can’t amount to many tags? I mean I’ve watched their allocations for years for their season and bag limits they don’t vary much. So I would think on any one yr this wouldn’t amount to but a few tags? And at the end of day, if we get fewer LQ tags then it’s made up for w general tags so to me this a mute point. My only issue is the Jan 31 deadline. There is no reason for it other than the WYOGA greed. I voiced my opinion on it when they had their comments period last yr. that’s about all I can do

Correct.

The discrepancy in tags was on the Resident side of the draw...we weren't getting 84% of the LQ tags required by statute. That resulted in a pretty significant amount of LQ tags not being issued to R hunters (around 300).

 

[Thomas11]

Correct.

The discrepancy in tags was on the Resident side of the draw...we weren't getting 84% of the LQ tags required by statute. That resulted in a pretty significant amount of LQ tags not being issued to R hunters (around 300).

Yes I understand. But I wouldn’t have guessed it at that many. I would have guessed it at more like 20-30. That’s quite a few!

 

[dreamingWest]

I'd be hunting alone or finding some new friends.

First sign of a bad hunt about to happen is when your "hunting friends" start to waffle...seen it.

No doubt! I need more/new/better/richer/fitter... hunting friends. Lol. I've got some good ones.
But I tell guys all the time, DO NOT even consider going on a guided hunt until you're 100% comfortable with spending the money and getting skunked.

 

[JM77]

This is my first post here and I wanted to jump in and say that everything Buzz is saying here is true and correct. I worked alongside him to get this drawing changed to solve the many problems caused by issuing licenses when data isn't fully collected and seasons and quotas have not been set. Game management should never be compromised for the convenience of one group or another.

The road to get this changed was a long one simply because the outfitter lobby is given quite a bit more say than they deserve. The straw(s) that broke the camel's back on this issue, was the time spent in back to back years at the annual season setting meeting with Commissioners trying to correct problems created by issuing licenses without seasons being set. Like Buzz, I do not like the fact the outfitters once again meddled in keeping the application period the same.

I think the first two or three years of the new drawing date will be telling on whether or not the application periods remains as it is now.

 

[wapitibob]

'bout time you showed up

and welcome

 

[Jethro]

Welcome to the ROK, JM77. Nice to have you here. Thanks for the work you do.

 

[Buschy]

It's crazy to me that people just bitch and complain both about things that are put in place to help them and people who are in the trenches on their behalf.

Don't apply if you don't want WY to hold your money for a few months and if you don't like the change, work to overturn it rather than complaining.

 

[805Bowhunter]

It's crazy to me that people just bitch and complain both about things that are put in place to help them and people who are in the trenches on their behalf.

Don't apply if you don't want WY to hold your money for a few months and if you don't like the change, work to overturn it rather than complaining.

I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately that is the nature of the internet. It gives way to a lot of the whining as opposed to solid dialogue. The internet is the best thing ever and the worst thing ever all tied into one.

When all is said and done, the reality is, regardless of how "angry" people say they are on these message boards, people will continue to apply in Wyoming at significant numbers because at the end of the day, Wyoming does a damn good job of providing solid hunting opportunities.

Like others have said, if you dont like the changes, make your voice heard....repeatedly if necessary.