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There isn’t a ton of difference between bonus points systems and a preference points system with a random component. I don’t value one over the other or waste time arguing the minutiae of difference.
Soooo you have a lot of preference points?Any points are a ponzi scheme but bonus points are worse.
Bonus point system are a fix for the guys just getting in complaining they will never draw a tag.
preference point with random component will ALWAYS be better then a bonus point system. you get the random chance to draw a tag likely similiar to chances in a bonus point draw and the guys that have invested longer get better odds through a prefernace point system. What needs to happen any tag burns points for that species.
Totally random is way betterNothing better than the AZ and UT bonus point systems.
I only have a few in colorado everywhere else I try and use them as often as I can.Soooo you have a lot of preference points?
Bonus point draws are random. You just get more entries with more points.
Preference points will ALWAYS be worse than bonus points.
Did I win? Lol
Ya and due to preference points sucking, even the "lucky" residents have to hope for a random tag, which is a fraction of the allotted tags.Lucky to live in wyoming so everything is random except sheep and moose and those are a preferance with random component thankfully and I have very low point numbers for those 2
Same thing can be said for a pure random draw. Some guys draw first time, some draw numerous times, some never draw. Nothing is perfect. I like the fact that states are different. Lets you play a variety of games rather than just luck or points.I have benefitted from a bonus point system and drew a tag my first year applying and there where guys with max points that didn't get the tag
Random is way better then a modified bonus point system also.All AZ and UT Elk points are bonus points which absolutely helps in the bonus pass; 10 chances at a low number vs 1 is always better. With the 20% and 50% set asides, a max point guy for his specific unit is absolutely guaranteed to draw the tag. In both those states, I've had an advantage over lesser point apps in the random side, which I'll take any day over a straight random draw.
I have never been "on the ground floor" of any state draw system and have drawn Utah Elk from the bonus pass, and will draw my 2nd AZ Elk tag in the bonus pass next week. I will draw my 2nd UT Elk tag in a few years, after riding the pine with their 5 year wait period.
I believe WY will be heading to bonus points for Sheep and Moose or changing the NR splits to 50/50. either would be good.
Ya and due to preference points sucking, even the "lucky" residents have to hope for a random tag, which is a fraction of the allotted tags.
It feels like NR's believe residents draw everything every year. I've drawn a total of 2 LE elk tags in 12yrs. 0 LE mule deer tags and I think 6 buck antelope tags. I will never draw sheep or moose on points so have to hope for a random. Not a sob story, just a reality check for those that are out of touch with reality.
And most NR's would complain about both if they "had" to hunt those tags....not "good enough" for their standardsYou can get a Region G tag at Wal-Mart every year.
The general elk tag you buy as an afterthought people are going to burn 7 points on.
And most NR's would complain about both if they "had" to hunt those tags....not "good enough" for their standards
The point I was making was residents don't draw LE tags every year.
Bob - you are exactly correct on all accounts. Probably useful to share your age with the audience and number of years you’ve laying the points game.All AZ and UT Elk points are bonus points which absolutely helps in the bonus pass; 10 chances at a low number vs 1 is always better. With the 20% and 50% set asides, a max point guy for his specific unit is absolutely guaranteed to draw the tag. In both those states, I've had an advantage over lesser point apps in the random side, which I'll take any day over a straight random draw.
I have never been "on the ground floor" of any state draw system and have drawn Utah Elk from the bonus pass, and will draw my 2nd AZ Elk tag in the bonus pass next week. I will draw my 2nd UT Elk tag in a few years, after riding the pine with their 5 year wait period.
I believe WY will be heading to bonus points for Sheep and Moose or changing the NR splits to 50/50. either would be good.
Lol okTo my knowledge, Region G is one of the most coveted deer tags in the country.
I’ve never met anyone that complained about general elk. Maybe they are out there. I’m moving to Wyoming for a few of those.
Bob - you are exactly correct on all accounts. Probably useful to share your age with the audience and number of years you’ve laying the points game.