Would you buy this scope?

[Speaks]

The vast majority of this new pre-sale bs is to fund production, limit liability, and save on interest. If the customer is on the hook from the get, you have zero exposure if it goes sideways.

That's all they're doing is cash-poor companies trying to avoid taking out loans to fund their own business.

There are plenty of times where consumers may want a product and businesses for whatever reason cant or wont take on the risk and capital investment. This facilitates a way for consumers to help bring the product they want to market. Participation is totally optional and not a scam in any way. I dont participate in many though do in some.

I actually do this all the time in B2B sales. I have a partner I want to build me something, they cant or wont take on the risk or investment, I dont want to build it myself for whatever reason, I may fund the investment of their build. Generally this is in exchange for other favorable terms though not always, sometimes its just to get what I wanted to buy.

In this case thats not even the deal, they are not offering a pre-sale given the hassles from the rokstock. Its their customers asking for one.

 

[alexnelon]

In this case thats not even the deal, they are not offering a pre-sale given the hassles from the rokstock. Its their customers asking for one.

I get the notion of wanting to get your name on a list (pre-order) what I roll my eyes at is any retail customer thinking it benefits themself in any way to pay for an item that does not yet and may never exist as a consumer product (pre-sale).

Edit: removed some unkind and unproductive comments

 

[mtwarden]

what I roll my eyes at is any retail customer thinking it benefits themself in any way to pay for an item that does not yet and may never exist as a consumer product (pre-sale), from a company that already has a track record of turning customer money into not much more than personal items for themselves and their "testers".

what?

 

[streamerfish]

I get the notion of wanting to get your name on a list (pre-order) what I roll my eyes at is any retail customer thinking it benefits themself in any way to pay for an item that does not yet and may never exist as a consumer product (pre-sale), from a company that already has a track record of turning customer money into not much more than personal items for themselves and their "testers".

 

[alexnelon]

what?

I was referring specifically to (Rokstok hiccups)

Edit: removed some unkind and unproductive framing of past events

 

[BBob]

I was referring specifically to the fairly long time period when Ryan, Jake, Form, and their associates had multiple rokstoks each while pre-paying customers had none.

That’s quite the take

 

[Axlrod]

I was referring specifically to the fairly long time period when Ryan, Jake, Form, and their associates had multiple rokstoks each while pre-paying customers had none.

Delusion much? Did you have money on a Rokstok?

 

[Speaks]

I get the notion of wanting to get your name on a list (pre-order) what I roll my eyes at is any retail customer thinking it benefits themself in any way to pay for an item that does not yet and may never exist as a consumer product (pre-sale), from a company that already has a track record of turning customer money into not much more than personal items for themselves and their "testers".

I dont know what to tell you, dont order one then.

Every dollar I have spend with UM has been money well spent and they have always been super clear about uncertain timelines when they are uncertain.

I also run a business and perhaps have a bit more understanding of unexpected challenges that can come up. I have never seen any indication that they did anything other than their best to make things right with their customers.

 

[Formidilosus]

I get the notion of wanting to get your name on a list (pre-order) what I roll my eyes at is any retail customer thinking it benefits themself in any way to pay for an item that does not yet and may never exist as a consumer product (pre-sale), from a company that already has a track record of turning customer money into not much more than personal items for themselves and their "testers".

I was referring specifically to the fairly long time period when Ryan, Jake, Form, and their associates had multiple rokstoks each while pre-paying customers had none.

What the **** are you talking about? How about don’t make up or lie about things.

 

[HuntHarder]

 

[M4Madness]

IN!

 

[eric1115]

I was referring specifically to the fairly long time period when Ryan, Jake, Form, and their associates had multiple rokstoks each while pre-paying customers had none.

Are you under the impression that they all had final-version, production stocks? Or do you think they had pre-production stocks for T&E (and/or the very first production stocks for QC)?

If I had to go out on a limb I'd guess that if they started shipping stocks that had significant functional problems because they didn't have a bunch of field time on pre/early production stocks you'd accuse them of using customers as beta testers, but I could be wrong.

 

[alexnelon]

Or do you think they had pre-production stocks for T&E (and/or the very first production stocks for QC)?

If I had to go out on a limb I'd guess that if they started shipping stocks that had significant functional problems because they didn't have a bunch of field time on pre/early production stocks you'd accuse them of using customers as beta testers, but I could be wrong.

They kinda did both though… Which calls into question how effective all that beta testing really was when whole production runs were getting scrapped instead of shipped.

I have never seen any indication that they did anything other than their best to make things right with their customers.

Totally true. Trying your best and doing a good job are not interchangeable, though.

 

[Speaks]

Totally true. Trying your best and doing a good job are not interchangeable, though.

I will rephrase. They did a good job.

As I recall the guys who ordered the green camo that didnt work got a full refund and a different stock.

 

[Speaks]

They kinda did both though… Which calls into question how effective all that beta testing really was when whole production runs were getting scrapped instead of shipped.

Clearly you have never brought any product to market much less many of them…

 

[Jon Boy]

I heard from a VERY reliable source that Tract is making this scope.










Sike. I have no idea but you guys bicker like a bunch of school girls

 

[Dobermann]

Is it supposed to stay a secret? Its been mentioned in this thread once but not as a guess. It was in the last 500 posts

 

[HighUintas]

I was referring specifically to the fairly long time period when Ryan, Jake, Form, and their associates had multiple rokstoks each while pre-paying customers had none.

With all due (if any is) respect, this statement alone without reading any of the preceding posts makes you look like an absolute idiot.

 

[bbckfh]

Can we please drop any and all further mention of the merits and demerits of business models?

Nor do we need to rehash Rokstock events.


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[Formidilosus]

The scope is….




Fantastic with regards to reticle, eyebox, size, turrets, parralax- it is beyond what Ryan or I had hoped for.

3x




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