Would you buy this scope?

[Jud96]

Be cool if the scope they hyped up was released lol

 

[cuerro viejo]

Ok, fair enough. I don’t have a problem with taking a deposit for product already on existing inventory. But is that, in fact, really what’s happening here? Or is one’s payment funding hopeful future production?

Your “simple concept” of “don’t buy and hope I don’t like the product” doesn’t apply to me. Just like there are plenty of other vehicles, there are plenty of other scopes. I don’t fall head over heels for buzzy new stuff. I just don’t want anything so bad that I’m not willing to wait until the product proves itself and “the market dictates longer term production opportunity”, nor do I want anything so bad that I’m willing to offer up an interest free loan to get it.

We’re going around in circles. You’re fine with it. I’m not. That’s ok.

There is zero opportunity to buy or put a deposit on this concept.

I’m not sure why there is a 2k plus year trend of earnest money.

 

[Speaks]

The vast majority of this new pre-sale bs is to fund production, limit liability, and save on interest. If the customer is on the hook from the get, you have zero exposure if it goes sideways.

That's all they're doing is cash-poor companies trying to avoid taking out loans to fund their own business.

There are plenty of times where consumers may want a product and businesses for whatever reason cant or wont take on the risk and capital investment. This facilitates a way for consumers to help bring the product they want to market. Participation is totally optional and not a scam in any way. I dont participate in many though do in some.

I actually do this all the time in B2B sales. I have a partner I want to build me something, they cant or wont take on the risk or investment, I dont want to build it myself for whatever reason, I may fund the investment of their build. Generally this is in exchange for other favorable terms though not always, sometimes its just to get what I wanted to buy.

In this case thats not even the deal, they are not offering a pre-sale given the hassles from the rokstock. Its their customers asking for one.

 

[alexnelon]

In this case thats not even the deal, they are not offering a pre-sale given the hassles from the rokstock. Its their customers asking for one.

I get the notion of wanting to get your name on a list (pre-order) what I roll my eyes at is any retail customer thinking it benefits themself in any way to pay for an item that does not yet and may never exist as a consumer product (pre-sale), from a company that already has a track record of turning customer money into not much more than personal items for themselves and their "testers".

 

[mtwarden]

what I roll my eyes at is any retail customer thinking it benefits themself in any way to pay for an item that does not yet and may never exist as a consumer product (pre-sale), from a company that already has a track record of turning customer money into not much more than personal items for themselves and their "testers".

what?

 

[streamerfish]

I get the notion of wanting to get your name on a list (pre-order) what I roll my eyes at is any retail customer thinking it benefits themself in any way to pay for an item that does not yet and may never exist as a consumer product (pre-sale), from a company that already has a track record of turning customer money into not much more than personal items for themselves and their "testers".

 

[alexnelon]

what?

I was referring specifically to the fairly long time period when Ryan, Jake, Form, and their associates had multiple rokstoks each while pre-paying customers had none.

 

[BBob]

I was referring specifically to the fairly long time period when Ryan, Jake, Form, and their associates had multiple rokstoks each while pre-paying customers had none.

That’s quite the take

 

[Axlrod]

I was referring specifically to the fairly long time period when Ryan, Jake, Form, and their associates had multiple rokstoks each while pre-paying customers had none.

Delusion much? Did you have money on a Rokstok?

 

[Speaks]

I get the notion of wanting to get your name on a list (pre-order) what I roll my eyes at is any retail customer thinking it benefits themself in any way to pay for an item that does not yet and may never exist as a consumer product (pre-sale), from a company that already has a track record of turning customer money into not much more than personal items for themselves and their "testers".

I dont know what to tell you, dont order one then.

Every dollar I have spend with UM has been money well spent and they have always been super clear about uncertain timelines when they are uncertain.

I also run a business and perhaps have a bit more understanding of unexpected challenges that can come up. I have never seen any indication that they did anything other than their best to make things right with their customers.