Would you buy this scope?

[Geewhiz]

My pics are an exact match including the arrow style, the up on the housing and the style of turret knurling. Its not tract.

Do tell.

 

[HGL]

I posted these quite a few pages back, not exact font (tail of T has slight difference) but it’s the closest on the market.

They remind me more of Delta turrets, the top slot and knurling is somewhat similar.

 

[Kyguy]

Not tract unless there randomly is a company who's text and general layout matchs the prototypes. That company also have capped turrets that match the coin slot style turrets of the prototype also.

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That's a prototype. You think things can't change? Do you think that a manufacturer /marketer can't update their font or change the design of a scope to suit something? Tract already has several different turret styles between their lines..

 

[Stocky]

That's a prototype. You think things can't change? Do you think that a manufacturer /marketer can't update their font or change the design of a scope to suit something? Tract already has several different turret styles between their lines..

1 picture is. The others are any existing brands scopes of which Form had had contact with. You think tract makes prototypes to match another companies font, text layout, and turret knurling? Lol

 

[Macintosh]

Is there a prize for guessing who? I know who it is now. Or im

if you dont spill the beans now, you wont be able to gloat when you are right.

 

[Stocky]

Do tell

Is it supposed to stay a secret? Its been mentioned in this thread once but not as a guess. It was in the last 500 posts

 

[Kyguy]

1 picture is. The others are any existing brands scopes of which Form had had contact with. You think tract makes prototypes to match another companies font, text layout, and turret knurling? Lol

I don't think any scope company that doesn't do their own manufacturing makes their prototypes. They send the specs and the OEM turns out prototype.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Aren’t pre-selling and “container inventory” mutually exclusive terms? Legitimate question. Why would you need to pre sell if you already had the inventory?

If this were a thing, I’d actually be ok with it. You’d be buying a unit that actually exists somewhere (warehouse, container,etc.).

But preselling to fund R and D or production makes no sense to me. At least not from the viewpoint of the consumer. I’m not willfully assuming business risk passed off onto me as a consumer.

Yes they are, its dumb to accuse them of pre selling to fund R&D when it’s literally being build and or crossing a sea being shipped to states. It’s already a developed product.

Selling out production before its sets in a warehouse being hit with tax and additional cost factors isn’t a new idea. I’m sure putting a deposit down on a Raptor bronco, Etc isnt fraudulent on Ford’s part….. but it is according to you, or does Ford get a pass?

Again a company pre-selling out order isn’t fraudulent, nor is it funding R&D, it’s simply allowing the public an opportunity to pre-buy limited inventory.

Kuiu built a direct to consumer empire on this model, Outdoor vitals is doing the same, are they, ford and ram fraudulent?

Pretty simple concept, don’t buy and hope you end up not liking the product anyways, as introduction is usually limited quantities until market dictates a longer term production opportunity.

In a lot of cases, as a company you are essentially buying out production space in an over seas MFG. you could order 1000 units but that doesn’t mean you will get 1000 units, you may only get 500.

I just don’t see the issue you have with pre-selling or deposits on a product. I guess you enjoy 100%+ mark ups at retailers vs direct to consumer

Just know most production over seas is a year from order to delivery. Fact LOH is only 6 months is impressed

 

[SDHNTR]

Yes they are, its dumb to accuse them of pre selling to fund R&D when it’s literally being build and or crossing a sea being shipped to states. It’s already a developed product.

Selling out production before its sets in a warehouse being hit with tax and additional cost factors isn’t a new idea. I’m sure putting a deposit down on a Raptor bronco, Etc isnt fraudulent on Ford’s part….. but it is according to you, or does Ford get a pass?

Again a company pre-selling out order isn’t fraudulent, nor is it funding R&D, it’s simply allowing the public an opportunity to pre-buy limited inventory.

Kuiu built a direct to consumer empire on this model, Outdoor vitals is doing the same, are they, ford and ram fraudulent?

Pretty simple concept, don’t buy and hope you end up not liking the product anyways, as introduction is usually limited quantities until market dictates a longer term production opportunity.

In a lot of cases, as a company you are essentially buying out production space in an over seas MFG. you could order 1000 units but that doesn’t mean you will get 1000 units, you may only get 500.

I just don’t see the issue you have with pre-selling or deposits on a product. I guess you enjoy 100%+ mark ups at retailers vs direct to consumer

Just know most production over seas is a year from order to delivery. Fact LOH is only 6 months is impressed

Ok, fair enough. I don’t have a problem with taking a deposit for product already on existing inventory. But is that, in fact, really what’s happening here? Or is one’s payment funding hopeful future production?

Your “simple concept” of “don’t buy and hope I don’t like the product” doesn’t apply to me. Just like there are plenty of other vehicles, there are plenty of other scopes. I don’t fall head over heels for buzzy new stuff. I just don’t want anything so bad that I’m not willing to wait until the product proves itself and “the market dictates longer term production opportunity”, nor do I want anything so bad that I’m willing to offer up an interest free loan to get it.

We’re going around in circles. You’re fine with it. I’m not. That’s ok.

 

[alexnelon]

Ok, fair enough. I don’t have a problem with taking a deposit for product already on existing inventory. But is that, in fact, really what’s happening here? Or is one’s payment funding hopeful future production?

Your “simple concept” of “don’t buy and hope I don’t like the product” doesn’t apply to me. Just like there are plenty of other vehicles, there are plenty of other scopes. I don’t fall head over heels for buzzy new stuff. I just don’t want anything so bad that I’m not willing to wait until the product proves itself and “the market dictates longer term production opportunity”, nor do I want anything so bad that I’m willing to offer up an interest free loan to get it.

We’re going around in circles. You’re fine with it. I’m not. That’s ok.

The vast majority of this new pre-sale bs is to fund production, limit liability, and save on interest. If the customer is on the hook from the get, you have zero exposure if it goes sideways.

That's all they're doing is cash-poor companies trying to avoid taking out loans to fund their own business.

 

[Stocky]

I don't think any scope company that doesn't do their own manufacturing makes their prototypes. They send the specs and the OEM turns out prototype.

Theres no way a oem would send another companies text and layout to another scope companies as a prototype if that company already has there own text and font. They would use there already existing font and layout for the prototype especially where the font size is in question. The oem might make them all but the company specs what they want and ask the oem if they can do it.

Do you think its more likely Tract than the company that makes the scope I posted pictures of?

 

[SDHNTR]

The vast majority of this new pre-sale bs is to fund production, limit liability, and save on interest. If the customer is on the hook from the get, you have zero exposure if it goes sideways.

That's all they're doing is cash-poor companies trying to avoid taking out loans to fund their own business.

Exactly

 

[Axlrod]

Exactly

I'm typing this slowly for you guys: nobody cares

 

[Dobermann]

 

[SDHNTR]

I'm typing this slowly for you guys: nobody cares

I’ll admit. You made me laugh.

 

[Kyguy]

Theres no way a oem would send another companies text and layout to another scope companies as a prototype if that company already has there own text and font. They would use there already existing font and layout for the prototype especially where the font size is in question. The oem might make them all but the company specs what they want and ask the oem if they can do it.

Do you think its more likely Tract than the company that makes the scope I posted pictures of?

I honestly think the prototype in the photo is an amalgam of parts that were laying around that was put together to get an idea of the form factor and functionality.

 

[alexnelon]

I'm typing this slowly for you guys: nobody cares

Oh sure nobody cares just like nobody cared when they paid for a rokstok that never showed up. I remember exactly zero people complaining about that perfectly executed product launch.

 

[Axlrod]

I’ll admit. You made me laugh.

I thought about sending the same response to the endless guessing the scope brand game that's going on. I don't give a rip, if Form and Ryan are taking apart Sterling scopes, adding their reticle and some gorrila glue. As long as they work. My sister says I'm pragmatic.