Would you buy this scope?

[Dobermann]

I think Leupold would be pretty capable of making a highly reliable 2-8x scope combined w/ almost any reticle, IF they wanted to; maybe they do now

Stirrer.

 

[cuerro viejo]

The lefty 223 thing is not really a good example to support a need for “commitment” to keep people from backing out. You failed to mention (and maybe didn’t know) that the price of the rifle increased significantly after a lot of people signed up. The sign up link initially had those rifles listed at $749. I didn’t get on the list at that point as it was still up in the air if they would be blued or stainless. When it was confirmed they would be stainless steel, the price in the link went up to $879. I signed up even though I could have bought a right hand SS 223 or a lefty SS in another cartridge for $750 or less from another source. Then, a couple months later, the company announced that they would be $1,029, but anyone who had already committed under the lower price could email to cancel. Since they didn’t offer to honor the price I had signed up for, I canceled. I was informed that by the time the 223s actually became available, they were $1,079 (but that included “free” shipping ).

I am hopeful that the RokScope will be the ultimate hunting scope, but since the full specs aren’t even known yet, I would not consider putting a deposit down on one at this time.

So you pre-paid via putting a deposit down creating a legal contract, then when your Bronco Raptor finally arrived, the demand was such that due to lower allocation/availability, you essentially sold it to the dealer for way more then the dealer original sales contract you signed ?

There are a magnitude of companies pre-selling inventory out. I’m not sure why there is an issue. I don’t see either user name calling outdoor vitals or Kuiu frauds as they built multi million dollars companies pre selling container inventory as a business model.

 

[prm]

I think Leupold would be pretty capable of making a highly reliable 2-8x scope combined w/ almost any reticle, IF they wanted to; maybe they do now

Ha ha, did they get a new CEO? Every time I heard him speak he only spoke about satisfying the shareholders.

 

[keystone112]

2-8x36 sounds great. Let’s not forget a 2-12x42 would be awesome!!

 

[Dualsight]

2-8x36 sounds great. Let’s not forget a 2-12x42 would be awesome!!

A FFP reticle that can be used on any magnification, durable and reliable. An eventual herd of (hopefully) satisfying everyone, for example:
2-8x36mm
2.5-12x42mm (or 44mm)
3-15x50mm
4-20x56mm
I threw the last two in there because of all the photos, and what I've seen in FFP reticles, at the low end of magnification; that is why I'm still stuck on SFP scopes.

And an option built into the design to purchase swapped out lockable turrets for both elevation and windage. Don't hate me on this one, I am saying an option and at an extra cost.

Why? I have trouble remembering where I set the darn screwdriver down in the workshop or finding it when it decides to jump off the workbench; don't get me started on where that blasted turret scope cap goes when making an adjustment at the rifle range!

 

[BAKPAKR]

So you pre-paid via putting a deposit down creating a legal contract, then when your Bronco Raptor finally arrived, the demand was such that due to lower allocation/availability, you essentially sold it to the dealer for way more then the dealer original sales contract you signed ?

There are a magnitude of companies pre-selling inventory out. I’m not sure why there is an issue. I don’t see either user name calling outdoor vitals or Kuiu frauds as they built multi million dollars companies pre selling container inventory as a business model.

No one had to pre-pay to get on the 223 list. It is just that a couple of people have suggested that those who “backed out” of the 223 pre-order suck and I am saying that I, and probably others, didn’t back out of the deal we signed up for. It went something like this:

“Do you want a widget for $X if we order it?”

“Yes.”

Two months later,

“You can still get the widget but it is going to be $X plus $Y.”

“No thank you.”

So, although those of us who didn’t end up with a lefty 223 still might suck, it is for a reason other than “backing out” of the pre-order for some of us.

 

[cuerro viejo]

No one had to pre-pay to get on the 223 list. It is just that a couple of people have suggested that those who “backed out” of the 223 pre-order suck and I am saying that I, and probably others, didn’t back out of the deal we signed up for. It went something like this:

“Do you want a widget for $X if we order it?”

“Yes.”

Two months later,

“You can still get the widget but it is going to be $X plus $Y.”

“No thank you.”

So, although those of us who didn’t end up with a lefty 223 still might suck, it is for a reason other than “backing out” of the pre-order for some of us.

That was my point, pre-paying goes both ways, protects buyer and seller. The 223 was a unique supplier price increase across all tikka distributors

 

[Geewhiz]

What don't "we" like about the SWFA 3-15x42? The reticle?

 

[lak2004]

What don't "we" like about the SWFA 3-15x42? The reticle?

Reticle is meh, turrets are giant.

 

[Sled]

Reticle is meh, turrets are giant.

The only thing I can come up with on the tall turrets is they must be specifically designed to pass the drop test. I imagine they're like the front bumper of a snowmobile...designed to crush and not damage the expensive parts.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

What don't "we" like about the SWFA 3-15x42? The reticle?

We do like it. At least the “royal we” likes it…

 

[Geewhiz]

We do like it. At least the “royal we” likes it…

I guess what I'm asking is,.. if we have a scope that checks the boxes then why are "we" developing a new scope from scratch? Just subtle differences?

 

[SaltyAquaholic]

I think Leupold would be pretty capable of making a highly reliable 2-8x scope combined w/ almost any reticle, IF they wanted to; maybe they do now

I mean Ryan DID say they’d only have to sell more then one of the 3-18s to make a 2-8 sooooo

 

[wyosam]

I guess what I'm asking is,.. if we have a scope that checks the boxes then why are "we" developing a new scope from scratch? Just subtle differences?

There are a number of functional scopes out there that get close. I think the goal is to not be close, but to actually have a hunting optimized scope. Reliable, dials accurately, turrets functional and not huge, reticle that works for hunting throughout the power range.


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[DaveT1]

Scope specs:

FFP 3-12x40 to 3-12x44mm

Consistently holds zero through 3-foot drops and 3,000 rounds of constant use.

The reticle is specially designed for 25 to 600 yards, with bold outer posts and correct center aiming references.

Zero Stop

Low profile top turret.

Capped windage.

Large eye box

Good glass

20oz


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Yes

 

[SaltyAquaholic]

Mild jokes aside, a 2-8 would appeal more to me than a 3-18. I’ll wait and see for what the 3-18 looks like when it comes out use and weight wise. If I could only have one scope forever it’d be a 2 to 8 or 2 to 10. I like just a tad bit more magnification then what’s absolutely needed just in case. And it usually keeps the reticle usable throughout the mag range from my limited experience. The credo 2-10 seem gets some flak for its mil reticle, and while it’s not needed for me and slightly heavy. The tree holds aren’t really visible to me at lower mags and at higher ones the main posts draw your eyes to the center and the wind holds are thin enough that it doesn’t really bother me. Granted i haven’t hunted with it yet so we’ll see. I think the original request or a 2-8 with the same guidelines would fall more in line with my expectations then a 3-18, but I’m still on board with a 3-18 if it just works like Ryan and Form want it to. Especially at the price point said in this thread

 

[nm.otter]

if we have a scope that checks the boxes then why are "we" developing a new scope from scratch?

It/they do not check 'all' of the boxes. They check the most important, non-negotiable boxes and subtly suck in other, less-critical ways.

'We' want to buy something that checks more of those boxes, and does so at a non-stratospheric price.

 

[Wprinkle]

Ive been proud to be from Texas my whole life, this site is making me think I've been brain washed. I swear 90% of dumb shit said on here is people from Texas. Can we tighten up as a group please . Im not excluding myself, im aware lol

I resemble that remark...

 

[Wprinkle]

So do we have pics of this thing yet or what??

 

[Schmo]

So do we have pics of this thing yet or what??

To add to that: Isn’t SHOT when the partnering company is going to be revealed?