Would you buy this scope?

[NDHUNTER24]

Look at the people on the rokstock thread just last week still complaining about stocks they are ordering that are not even late yet.

Pre-buys will just create a headache for them. Getting them on hand and selling out in a day is incredibly simple by comparison.

I haven't followed super close with the rokstock thread lately, but im guessing the people are complaining about the 120 day lead time. Those people are going to complain no matter what. But i agree that would be frustrating and a pain. I would definitely prepay for the scope but what i initially was thinking was just a simple signup and how many you want. Whoever signed up gets first dibs on the scopes before the sale to the public. With the signup they would have a decent idea of how many to order.

 

[43.6N]

2-8x36 is gonna be a really nice way to top a rokstok lite. Bet it won’t be top heavy at all!

@Ryan Avery @Formidilosus @Shoot2Hunt How well does the 3-18 need to do in order to greenlight this second scope?

 

[Speaks]

I would be down with one of those 2-8x36 for sure, honestly probably 4 of them.

 

[Macintosh]

If we get our way, it will be more like a 2-8x36mm scope done right.

Ok, that got my attention. Sounds like its a ways off, but as an Eastern point and shoot hunter who would DESPERATELY love to be able to trust a 2.5-8x vx3 at like 11 ounces, and is settling for 19-ish oz 1-6 scopes...I'm listening.

 

[Adam Gibbs]

2-8x36 would get my money. A lot of it.

 

[MT_Wyatt]

The scopes won’t be sold until they are meeting the requirements.


And, no- I do not think that the initial order will be large enough to meet demand. Without talking out of turn- they (S2H) have to pay for the scopes on receipt. I highly doubt they are going to order and hope 500 or 1,000 scopes sell quickly.

Totally - did not intend to imply otherwise.

To my point, page later and we’re talking preorders before there’s a product. I like the ban plan there. I WOULD be willing to front for one once testing was good and production order was being placed, if we can get the volume up…..make it easier for the business just due to cash flow.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Would a good reticle in the 2-10x36 credo check off that box? I forget if that has zero stop. Is Trijicon also stubborn about reticles?

 

[Stocky]

4-6 months.

Tons of people have expressed the same desire. The issue is “prebuy” at all. The scopes are being made by an outside entity- even if a very good one. S2H has no control over producing or shipping them. Nit only that, they have to be tested when the arrive- what happens if there are issues? People all claim they understand that there may be delays, and their can’t be hard dates, etc, etc, etc- then start whining and pitching fits when real life shows up and those things happen.

I think people just dont want to miss out on the run. Theres demand screw a presale discount. Sell a place in line for $50 non refundable deposit that if the scopes dont work out people sacrifice. If people are really ik with preparing for a product that might not work out then put the risk on them.

 

[Dobermann]

Would a good reticle in the 2-10x36 credo check off that box? I forget if that has zero stop. Is Trijicon also stubborn about reticles?

Yes. Yes. And yes.

 

[Ryan Avery]

2-8x36 is gonna be a really nice way to top a rokstok lite. Bet it won’t be top heavy at all!

@Ryan Avery @Formidilosus @Shoot2Hunt How well does the 3-18 need to do in order to greenlight this second scope?

More than one

 

[Dobermann]

I think people just dont want to miss out on the run. Theres demand screw a presale discount. Sell a place in line for $50 non refundable deposit that if the scopes dont work out people sacrifice. If people are really ik with preparing for a product that might not work out then put the risk on them.

Whatever the model, it needs to have minimal administrative and customer service overhead to not cut into an already modest margin. Accepting deposits, tracking on who has made them, fulfilling orders, following up, etc etc all cost time and money. Simple is better.

Personally, being in a different time zone than the US has mean that I've missed out multiple times on limited restocks by SWFA and Maven ... preorders seems fairer, but not if delivery times can't be met, and we end up with a 300 page thread of people complaining that they didn't get instant gratification.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Yes. Yes. And yes.

Can someone explain how companies can have decent reticle in other scopes of theirs already hence it’s already designed even but are stubborn about putting it into one of their other scopes? There has to be more that they are clueless, just point to shit like the RS1.2

 

[Dobermann]

Can someone explain how companies can have decent reticle in other scopes of theirs already hence it’s already designed even but are stubborn about putting it into one of their other scopes? There has to be more that they are clueless, just point to shit like the RS1.2

Pointing to the RS1.2 I think makes the point ... Maven listened to Form and Ryan about the need for a more functional reticle, and we got the SHR-MIL, which borrows a little from the THLR. Great.

But then they openly joked on podcasts about how they thought the drop testing was silly and made derogatory comments about Rokslide/rs in general. So - listen to what end users want, provide it, sell them like hotcakes, and then burn your market. It doesn't get much more clueless than that.

 

[nm.otter]

The 2.5-8x36 vx 3 is easily my favorite hunting scope ever. One that can take a beating for maybe a little bit more weight even would be :chefskiss:

and FFP
and better reticle

 

[wind gypsy]

and FFP
and better reticle

I'm a FFP guy but gimme a SFP on a 2-8 unless going crazy and doing DFP.

 

[Kyguy]

and FFP
and better reticle

2-8x, FFP doesn't really matter to me. 2x for the woods, shoot everything else at 8x. SFP is fine. Doesn't even need to zoom, just make a lever that flips it from 2x to 8x. Nothing in between matters.

 

[Speaks]

2-8x, FFP doesn't really matter to me. 2x for the woods, shoot everything else at 8x. SFP is fine. Doesn't even need to zoom, just make a lever that flips it from 2x to 8x. Nothing in between matters.

Actually a 4-8 with a flipper would be the shit... never need less than 4 and really never need more than 8 for this kind of optic. No need for anything in between.

 

[Shortschaf]

Actually a 4-8 with a flipper would be the shit... never need less than 4 and really never need more than 8 for this kind of optic. No need for anything in between.

I was just thinking of this.
Like elcans 1x & 4x flipper you mean?

Full disclosure I have never used one, and they may have drawbacks that aren't good for hunting scopes. Just sounds good on paper to me with zero research

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I'm a FFP guy but gimme a SFP on a 2-8 unless going crazy and doing DFP.

As long as its a usable reticle from min to max I don't know why I'd not buy FFP for everything (exaggeration), never having to ever consider what magnification you are on for the holds to hold (pun intended) meaning all day long please. With the obvious caveat of being usable at min thru max as noted.

 

[wind gypsy]

As long as its a usable reticle from min to max I don't know why I'd not buy FFP for everything (exaggeration), never having to ever consider what magnification you are on for the holds to hold (pun intended) meaning all day long please. With the obvious caveat of being usable at min thru max as noted.

I’m open to being persuaded based on actual reticle execution. I just don’t think it’d be too much of an issue with such a scope.