Wolves back on the endangered species list in the west??

[Buglebrush]

This would be the end of Western hunting. As someone who has spent the last 30+ years in a heavy wolf infested area, I can tell you that the only thing keeping our heads above water is the wolf trappers. ESA protections for wolves would be the end, and it would happen faster than most think it would.

 

[Farmingdale's Finest]

Welcome to NJ with Black Bears. The biologists said our population doubled since 2018 after our Governor shut down the bear hunt on the grounds of public saftey and some liberal judge supported him.

Then this year there is supposed to be a 5 year plan resubmitted and signed off by the head of the DNR and then the Governor. They didn’t so it wasn’t allowed. The Division of Fish and Wildlife voted and announced we need an emergency season. The issue is the Governor had to sign off and he announced 2 hours later he wouldn’t.

The only good thing is god forbid someone is hurt by a bear it’s squarely on his shoulders.


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Well that didn't take long.

Bear that mauled dog to death, bit N.J. woman to be euthanized when caught, state says

Bears deemed a threat to the public are trapped and euthanized as soon as possible, the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection said in a statement.

www.nj.com

 

[Wyobohunter]

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[mtnwhitefish]

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Thanks for posting

 

[Cwilson2103]

Shoot shovel shut up

 

[packgoatguy]

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My 2 cents...
My review of the brief suggest this is being done in retaliation for recent policies being implemented at the state levels, like in Idaho where methods of take for hunters are being expanded. Whatever your opinion is on the matter, at the end of the day... how we act as hunters and sportsmen will have a lot of sway... "hunters" being allowed to chase down wolves or coyotes on a snowmachine with a baseball bat, or spotlighting them from your truck just does not look good in the court of public opinion. Let's keep our right to hunt them legally (applying principles of fair and ethical chase) and defend ourselves and livestock by not appearing to be trying to eradicate them entirely. Otherwise, we get a yo-yo effect... list... delist... list delist... into perpetuity. Not good for us, the ungulates, or the wolves. Everything in moderation.

 

[Trap]

Wolves certainly = clicks and posts.

Still can’t connect the dots antis smell blood and are doing a full court press on predators. You from eastern part of the US? Nothing against eastern hunters but you obviously haven’t lived around very many large predators. Just comment thru the link against the delisting if you enjoy western elk hunting Your dismissive comments here aren’t helping western hunting but commenting against listing wolves might

 

[Trap]

Comment submitted.

My 2 cents...
My review of the brief suggest this is being done in retaliation for recent policies being implemented at the state levels, like in Idaho where methods of take for hunters are being expanded. Whatever your opinion is on the matter, at the end of the day... how we act as hunters and sportsmen will have a lot of sway... "hunters" being allowed to chase down wolves or coyotes on a snowmachine with a baseball bat, or spotlighting them from your truck just does not look good in the court of public opinion. Let's keep our right to hunt them legally (applying principles of fair and ethical chase) and defend ourselves and livestock by not appearing to be trying to eradicate them entirely. Otherwise, we get a yo-yo effect... list... delist... list delist... into perpetuity. Not good for us, the ungulates, or the wolves. Everything in moderation.

Idaho legislature passed a lot of new options. Idaho fish and game effectively neutered those new rules with how they implemented them. Which was smart as I am sure they anticipated a backlash. Idaho does need additional season and methods since our current seasons haven’t reduced wolf numbers at all and we are way over objective ( not the minimum number) we are WAY over the population objective even with years of management. I do agree with your statement that the optics of how we manage wolves matter the antis we’re going to sue on wolves regardless they are serial litigators. But we have to think about the image and pr of how we manage wolves for the average person

 

[Trap]

Commented thanks for posting the link. Howl for wildlife looks like a good group I would encourage joining that also

 

[frank church guy]

They better get a hold of this. A study was just released and within ten years there will be next to no moose in Idaho. The Frank Church (the biggest wilderness area in the lower fortyeight has no moose) there are no moose tags there.

And before you pro wolf people light me up, I will say the wolves are impressive. I have sat a 100 yards above a pack on a kill and listen to the alpha put the pups in place. This is an canadien grey wolf. they hunt bigger everything in Alberta. This wasn't the wolf that was here.

I think the bull elk do okay back here. The wolves dont want mess with a bachelor herd of elk. The cows and calves are screwed. I come across cow elk kills all the time with there uteras (I know spelling) eaten and the rest left for the eagles, ravens and coyotes A moose no problem, they kill it. Solo and fiercly independent.

Colorado you are screwed. Your people population is too big for a predator like like this.

I hope they let us hunt from helicopters

 

[packgoatguy]

When you make comments on an issue like this, remember it's not a "vote" type situation where you just indicate your preference one way or another... you need to bring clear evidence that is on point with their findings and query. For example, if part of their rational for putting the wolves back on the list is due to increasing habitat loss, then refute that claim with specific examples if you have them. Just saying "I don't think wolves should be listed" is not good enough for them to have to give your comments attention. Legally, they have a certain amount of responsibility to follow up on plausible claims that counter the premise for their proposal.

 

[frank church guy]

When you make comments on an issue like this, remember it's not a "vote" type situation where you just indicate your preference one way or another... you need to bring clear evidence that is on point with their findings and query. For example, if part of their rational for putting the wolves back on the list is due to increasing habitat loss, then refute that claim with specific examples if you have them. Just saying "I don't think wolves should be listed" is not good enough for them to have to give your comments attention. Legally, they have a certain amount of responsibility to follow up on plausible claims that counter the premise for their proposal.

you are right, i appolgize

 

[packgoatguy]

Idaho legislature passed a lot of new options. Idaho fish and game effectively neutered those new rules with how they implemented them. Which was smart as I am sure they anticipated a backlash. Idaho does need additional season and methods since our current seasons haven’t reduced wolf numbers at all and we are way over objective ( not the minimum number) we are WAY over the population objective even with years of management. I do agree with your statement that the optics of how we manage wolves matter the antis we’re going to sue on wolves regardless they are serial litigators. But we have to think about the image and pr of how we manage wolves for the average person

We can agree or disagree on optimal wolf numbers in our fine state. However, my own personal observation is that the wolves we have aren't as easy to find as some make it out. On average, I'll run into a wolf or two a year... but many years I've not seen a one. In spite of many nights a year spent on the hill between Island Park, the Lemhis, beaverheads, pioneers, boise river, Lowman area, and sometimes in the white clouds... I rarely hear a howl or find a track. I've run into a pack in the white clouds, another by Sunbeam, and another above salmon. but the rest of my encounters have been with solo wolves, usually glassed at a distance.

 

[packgoatguy]

you are right, i appolgize

Wasn't directed at you, just making a general comment. Sorry.

 

[frank church guy]

you are right, i appolgize

for the spelling too
And i never posted stats, just personnel observations

 

[Ryan Avery]

We can agree or disagree on optimal wolf numbers in our fine state. However, my own personal observation is that the wolves we have aren't as easy to find as some make it out. On average, I'll run into a wolf or two a year... but many years I've not seen a one. In spite of many nights a year spent on the hill between Island Park, the Lemhis, beaverheads, pioneers, boise river, Lowman area, and sometimes in the white clouds... I rarely hear a howl or find a track. I've run into a pack in the white clouds, another by Sunbeam, and another above salmon. but the rest of my encounters have been with solo wolves, usually glassed at a distance.

You are not looking very hard!

It's rare on trips in several of those areas that I don't see or hear something, howl, scat, or tracks.


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[frank church guy]

Wasn't directed at you, just making a general comment. Sorry.

just in the last week , i have seen seven wolves, snow is deep. pushes game down low., Please read what i have observed from these critters, and read my posts. I am not antiwolf but I am anti wolf for the wolves that dont belong here.

 

[packgoatguy]

You are not looking very hard!

It's rare on trips in several of those areas that I don't see or hear something, howl, scat, or tracks.


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You are correct that I'm not usually looking for wolves per se, as I'm usually looking for elk or deer while hunting, or summer backpacking when I'm in those areas. However, I'd be all ears on where to find some wolves if you are open to sharing. Pm me if you like. I was going to take some kids out next weekend to see if we could get a few to return some howls. Got a few tags in our pockets if the stars aligned just right. We were up in the upper Pashimeroi this evening, nothing but deer and bunnies. Thought we might find some elk near the donkey hills, but no joy. Near 93 and the spar canyon rd a couple weeks ago, plenty of elk but didn't find a wolf. Not saying they aren't there, we just don't see them that often.

 

[frank church guy]

You are not looking very hard!

It's rare on trip in several of those areas that I don't see something, howl, scat, tracks


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I am lost on this one. The coyotes, wolves, etc have been quite.. I have dusted two coyotes. Left them laying. hoping the bigger dog come in. I do live in the middle of the frank. The

You are not looking very hard!

It's rare on trips in several of those areas that I don't see or hear something, howl, scat, or tracks.


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bingo! The moose are done in idaho.

 

[frank church guy]

ypu are telling me I am not looking hard ? i run around everyday trying to hunt these guys. I hope i am confusing threads