Wolf Reduction Bill

[cuerro viejo]

Anybody with half a brain saw this coming....

Idaho at risk of losing $18M in wildlife management funds

The Center for Biological Diversity is urging federal officials to end Idaho's wildlife management funding in response to extreme wolf-killing legislation.

www.ktvb.com

That's a can of worms that's needs to be opened. I hope the Biden admin opens it. States control wildlife decisions. Not the federal government. It’s Not the Kings wildlife.

think it would be very interesting in SCOTUS,

 

[Idaho4x4Bronco]

You still ignore the biggest issue with this whole thing which is the Legislature getting involved in Season Setting and using their supreme ignorance to **** it up.

The lawsuits are already firing up, what good is that gonna do us? Will you be happy when this idiotic move gets them put back on the ESA and we can't hunt them at all legally?

How many wolves have you shot or trapped since you claim to be able to find them weekly? I'd assume you get your limit yearly right?

Looks like the Sierra Club is doing there thing, pretty awesome to be on that radar....

https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/idaho-legislature-sets-sights-wolf-extermination

To each their own I suppose. You can have your wolves, you seem to love them so much. Save as many as you can

 

[87TT]

Anybody with half a brain saw this coming....

Idaho at risk of losing $18M in wildlife management funds

The Center for Biological Diversity is urging federal officials to end Idaho's wildlife management funding in response to extreme wolf-killing legislation.

www.ktvb.com

Bunch of wingnuts blowing smoke. That money is OUR money from OUR taxes. It comes from hunters and fishermen. They are not going to cut it off because we try to control the population to the agreed upon amount.

 

[BuzzH]

To each their own I suppose. You can have your wolves, you seem to love them so much. Save as many as you can

WTF?

Why does every wolf discussion go like this?

Replace wolf in this discussion with elk.

Do you think it would be appropriate for the Legislature to pass a law to reduce the elk population in Idaho by half...completely circumventing the Commission and the public process?

No, nobody would be happy about that.

Don't say, "oh, that would never happen"...because it did, in Montana. The legislature there passed HB34 that forces the MTFWP to manage elk at, or below the artificially low population objectives in the EMP.

I suggest that most on this thread would agree that killing more wolves in Idaho isn't the issue and likely is an appropriate step.

What isn't right is the Legislature is out of its depth and interfering with the business of the Commission, which is where these changes should happen.

This sets ugly precedent...

 

[BuzzH]

Bunch of wingnuts blowing smoke. That money is OUR money from OUR taxes. It comes from hunters and fishermen. They are not going to cut it off because we try to control the population to the agreed upon amount.

You best read the Act before you make these kinds of statements...I think they have a case.

 

[tdhanses]

Wildlife regulations need to be dealt with by the Commission...and unless Idaho is vastly different than Montana and Wyoming, the commission has the authority to promulgate wolf hunting regulations. That includes means of take, tag numbers, season length, etc.

The problem is, most Sportsmen don't understand that all this BS running to the Legislature to get your way is a rather new thing. Hell, some probably believe that's how it HAS to be done, and the way its always been done. It wasn't done that way in the past at all, and many times doesn't have to be done that way now.

I think its crap, and inappropriate, to end-run the commission and public process via legislation.

If we're strictly going to make management decisions via legislation in regard to game management, then get rid of the Commission, biologists, etc. then. Its a waste of time and money to have them if the Legislature has it all figured out and we don't operate using either in the public process.

I wouldn’t say it’s new, think of CO.

Again though you didn’t state anything but an assumption, in ID can the commission even do what your saying? Secondly, all that is changing is allowable manner of take to get to the commissions predetermined carrying capacity.

I guess I’m not following that the sky is falling and the state is taking over F&G management, from what I understand under currently allowed means there isn’t even a 1% success rate on wolf kills, the legislature is now allowing for them to be put in check which means once they reach the commissions levels then tags will be vastly reduced but getting the species into management range may actually be possible vs what has currently been happening.

Correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[cuerro viejo]

WTF?

Why does every wolf discussion go like this?

Replace wolf in this discussion with elk.

Do you think it would be appropriate for the Legislature to pass a law to reduce the elk population in Idaho by half...completely circumventing the Commission and the public process?

No, nobody would be happy about that.

Don't say, "oh, that would never happen"...because it did, in Montana. The legislature there passed HB34 that forces the MTFWP to manage elk at, or below the artificially low population objectives in the EMP.

I suggest that most on this thread would agree that killing more wolves in Idaho isn't the issue and likely is an appropriate step.

What isn't right is the Legislature is out of its depth and interfering with the business of the Commission, which is where these changes should happen.

This sets ugly precedent...

So approving less restrictive means and methods is bad?

 

[BuzzH]

So approving less restrictive means and methods is bad?

If done through the FG Commission and not the legislature...no its not bad at all.

Managing wildlife through Legislation, circumventing the Commission...is not the appropriate, proper, or right way to do it. Sets bad precedent and wildlife if no longer being managed biologically at that point, by the Commission appointed to do so, and without the public process of setting regulation.

 

[BuzzH]

I wouldn’t say it’s new, think of CO.

Again though you didn’t state anything but an assumption, in ID can the commission even do what your saying? Secondly, all that is changing is allowable manner of take to get to the commissions predetermined carrying capacity.

I guess I’m not following that the sky is falling and the state is taking over F&G management, from what I understand under currently allowed means there isn’t even a 1% success rate on wolf kills, the legislature is now allowing for them to be put in check which means once they reach the commissions levels then tags will be vastly reduced but getting the species into management range may actually be possible vs what has currently been happening.

Correct me if I’m wrong.

I'm not aware of a GF/FG Commission in any State that I've ever dealt with, that doesn't have the authority to set regulation, bag limits, means of take, seasons, caliber restrictions, etc.

I'd be shocked if Idaho was any different.

 

[Idaho4x4Bronco]

I wouldn’t say it’s new, think of CO.

Again though you didn’t state anything but an assumption, in ID can the commission even do what your saying? Secondly, all that is changing is allowable manner of take to get to the commissions predetermined carrying capacity.

I guess I’m not following that the sky is falling and the state is taking over F&G management, from what I understand under currently allowed means there isn’t even a 1% success rate on wolf kills, the legislature is now allowing for them to be put in check which means once they reach the commissions levels then tags will be vastly reduced but getting the species into management range may actually be possible vs what has currently been happening.

Correct me if I’m wrong.

Pretty much.

 

[Buglebrush]

The fact that a Forum like this has so many wolf apologists is what plunges me the deepest into despair!

 

[87TT]

The "Commission" does not set the rules and regs. They make a proposal to the Legislature, who then vote to approve them.

 

[87TT]

You best read the Act before you make these kinds of statements...I think they have a case.

If that were the case, then CA and CO would have been cut off. They both bypass the wildlife agencies to make up rules that don't make sound game management sense.

 

[Mtnboy]

To each their own I suppose. You can have your wolves, you seem to love them so much. Save as many as you can

You don’t read at a high level do you? I apologize for trying to talk about adult things with you, Clearly it’s too much for you to handle since you can’t even formulate a legit response.

Can you at least confirm that I’m correct in assuming you haven’t even managed to kill a single wolf even after all the drivel you’ve spewed?

The absolute ignorance in threads like this makes me sad and scared for the future of hunting. Some of y’all aren’t real smart at all.

 

[Idaho4x4Bronco]

I didn't mean to start a pissing contest here.

 

[TheTone]

The fact that a Forum like this has so many wolf apologists is what plunges me the deepest into despair!

Not an apologists I’m just worried about the Idaho legislators. They don’t exactly have a history of making sound decisions. The issues people are bringing up have merit. If they get re-listed due to this I doubt they ever come back off the list

 

[Idaho4x4Bronco]

You don’t read at a high level do you? I apologize for trying to talk about adult things with you, Clearly it’s too much for you to handle since you can’t even formulate a legit response.

Can you at least confirm that I’m correct in assuming you haven’t even managed to kill a single wolf even after all the drivel you’ve spewed?

The absolute ignorance in threads like this makes me sad and scared for the future of hunting. Some of y’all aren’t real smart at all.

Nah, just at work and busy. I don't need to put my life on the internet or a chat forum to please you. I'll sleep fine at night just how it is.

If it bothers you so much to talk about wolves, then don't?

 

[87TT]

I didn't mean to start a pissing contest here.

We going for distance or volume?

 

[wind gypsy]

I've had a family cabin in the heart of northern MN wolf country my whole life. As long as I can remember, our argument to the irrational wolf lovers has been to let the professionals manage them based on science/biology. Then we go on to talk about how the state wildlife management agencies would avoid letting the populations get to a level of re-listing because of the red tape surrounding ESA species.

When legislatures go doing stuff like this against the wish of the wildlife agencies, I can't help but feel like it's shooting big ass holes in our boat. If you asked me to pick an ideal wolf population in ID, I'd say as low as you can get it without getting them relisted or causing too much collateral damage to hunting as a whole. To me, that is wanting what's best for conservation and hunting, not being a wolf apologist.

 

[BuzzH]

The "Commission" does not set the rules and regs. They make a proposal to the Legislature, who then vote to approve them.

Bull, frickin', shit...

You're out of your depth. I haven't probably attended but a couple hundred commission meetings in my life.

So, you're telling me that every time a Commission or Department adjusts a deer quota that it must be approved by the Legislature?

When exactly does the Legislature hold a special session to approve a deer quota? An elk quota? Change a regulation of any kind?

Just when I think I've heard everything...

Its no damn wonder the Legislature is able to run over Sportsmen when people don't even understand the process.

Right from the IFG Website:

Major duties and responsibilities of the commission are to supervise the Department of Fish and Game; establish regulations and other needed controls on fishing, hunting, trapping and management of wildlife in line with the state's wildlife policy; approve department budgets for submission to the legislature; hold public hearings and make decisions on the management of the state's wildlife.