Wilderness Athlete vs. Mtn Ops

[5MilesBack]

Oh, they're definitely in shape.......for football. But I'd like to see some of those lineman out on a hunt with me.

I wouldn't use most of the military fitness testing as ANY comparison to fitness.

 

[Poser]

Oh, they're definitely in shape.......for football. But I'd like to see some of those lineman out on a hunt with me.

I wouldn't use most of the military fitness testing as ANY comparison to fitness.

There was a sheep guide on here awhile back who mentioned having guided some NFL clients. I seem to recall him commenting that many of them seemed to have legs that were too big for climbing and they would have trouble with their thighs rubbing together. I assume that was more linemen sized players than receivers and RBs. He also said that many of them did quite well out of the gate but tended to burn out after an hour or so of sustained activity, which, again, is not surprising since they are not conditioned for sustained exertion. Any olympic sprinter might not be able to finish a marathon in a time faster than a weekend warrior. (NFL players) I would speculate that they are in overall MUCH better general shape than the average person who shows up for a guided sheep hunt.

These type of comparisons once again go back to the almost futile debate of defining fitness. I know a guy who is an accomplished competitive cyclist. He's a stick on a set of legs. To him, being in shape means being able to ride fast for a long period of time. That being said, the guy cannot do one single pushup. Not even one! To me, a lot of distance runners don't look like or seem to be in very good shape. They look terrible and they are pathetically weak. They can run and that's all they can do, but they consider themselves to be "fit" and, by their standards, if you can't run 15 miles at an >8 min pace then you aren't fit. Once you hit specialization, you are going to compromise some level of fitness. Strong shoulders won't help you run 50 miles, but runner's legs won't help you stop a 300 pound Samoan from ending your QB's career. and really, if you had the opportunity to have a 4-10 year career, potentially making tens of millions of dollars and be retired in your early 30s, who wouldn't give up sustained endurance for explosive bursts and figure out how to be in the best shape possible for that sport?

Its very advantageous to be in shape for hunting. It is even fun to effectively train for hunting shape. But, let's face it, the physical skill sets to be a good, "fit" hunter are remarkably simple, especially compared with complex skill and movement sports. A good athlete can make for a good hunter, but hunting, unto itself probably doesn't make a person a very good "athlete" unless were talking hunting, backpacking or peak bagging.

 

[nflesher]

Being "In shape" is defined in to many ways. I played high school football with guys who could bench press, squat, curl, run, jump, sh*t, shower, and shave heavier, faster, quicker than myself, but couldn't toss a 45 lb hay bail on a trailer to save their life, let alone work 12 hours in the burning heat and humidity of the hay field. They could brag being the player of the week, but after two-a-days I went to the hay field and worked while they went home and laid in the air conditioning and took a nap. If your heart is in the game, you will be successful.

 

[OkieElk]

I used WA for the first time this past spring. I wanted to drop some weight and start working out again, so I jumped on the "28 Day Challenge" promo they were running at the time. I really liked the Meal Replacement/Protein Shakes, Vitamin, and H&R and E&F. However, the Green Infusion, which has an impressive about of herbs and minerals really went through me bad! So I got off that within the first week or so...Turns out I really like the H&R and E&F for a couple reasons. 1) I starting having some really bad stomach and health issues from drinking coffee. I like really dark roast coffee and would normally drink 2-4 cups a day for 10 years. I starting developing these stomach problems about the time I got on the 28 day challenge. I stopped drinking coffee cold turkey but turned to the "Superman" drink by combining both Energy&Focus and Hydrate& Recover. It really does work and has no side affects of caffeine. I truly felt better and more mentally focused throughout the day. I've went to Vega protein/meal replacement shake, but still use both H&R and E&F.

 

[Laelkhunter]

Not really related to the discussion, but maybe it is, Mark Paulsen (developer and head honcho at WA) played pro ball not long ago. He was a tight end with the Cleveland Browns, and a strength and conditioning coach for University of New Mexico football. Not sure if he had any Military Service.
I have been using WA for at least 10 years, and still use it daily. The hydrate & Recover in my Camelbak, the Altitude Adjustment, and the Energy & Focus makes it possible to hump the "hills" in Chama each year after living below sea level in New Orleans the other 50 weeks of my life.
I have never tried Mtn Ops.

 

[Laelkhunter]

For the month of February, WA has a special, that if you join their "loyalty" program, you will get a 10% discount, and free shipping. Loyalty program means to sign up for auto ship of your product (30 days or 45 days), and you will receive the discount and free shipping until you cancel the auto ship.

 

[ontarget7]

Been on the MTN Ops for two month now and it's been a decent product that I feel can be better.
This led me to look for something else recently and found the Surge Supplements. After trying them out for a week, I honestly don't see me going back to the MTN ops. If your looking for a product don't over look this one. Great guys and set me a discount code to pass on for a little savings. Even asked if I had an online name nick name etc LOL. Thought that was pretty cool and personable !
Low and behold they sent me a code Ontarget715 to pass along to anyone.
Great product so far and definitely recommend trying out for those interested.
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[Bar]

I use a couple of the WA products and they work well for me.

 

[ontarget7]

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[greentimber]

MTN OPS "Ammo" is about the only protein powder I've been able to tolerate (taste) but I mix it in cashew milk. I absolutely won't do it (or any protein powder I've tried in 20+ years) in water. I think Yeti (mine is some sort of a berry flavor) tastes like pure sh!t, but the ingredient list is pretty decent. I've been using Phoenix and can't quantify the results, but I have been less sore/had quicker recovery than I did last year without it. Overall, decent stuff. My biggest gripe about the supplement industry is there is really no way to believe you're getting what's on the label. The GNC thing that was mentioned earlier in the thread is a good example.

 

[greentimber]

.......Oh, and as a former Army Ranger I can tell you that the physical standards mentioned previously are only the MINIMUMS. You might get in as a new recruit with those numbers, but you sure as hell won't succeed with those numbers and better bust your ass to massively improve them.