Why is the .270 dying?

I think that is fair question. I think the guys who really shoot a lot are shooting 223 and 308 compared to anything else. I shoot a lot of different cartridges so I don’t shoot my 6.5cm more than others because that is what interests me but I recognize I am an exception:). I think there are definitely better rounds to shoot volume than a 270 or any other significant case capacity round.

Lou
 
Backfire and Randy Newberg both recently did polls on their youtube for favorite hunting cartridge of their followers and old 270 was number one. I can hear the old girl yelling… “I’m not dead yet….”

Lou
I just watched that Backfire video. I was glad to see the 243, 7mm-08 and 280 AI on the viewers’ list. The 270 at #1 proves what has been said many times in this thread—most hunters aren’t posting on RS.
 
When I first started elk hunting, the choice (according to people I knew) was 30-06 or 270. I went with 270 for a number of reasons. It's obviously effective.

I say that as a preface to this: I can't think of anything that I can get done with a 270 that I can't also get done with a different cartridge with less recoil.
 
what about the people who DO shoot more? Are they mostly shooting 270’s?
Any hunter who buys a 6.5 CM can (on some level) play NRL Hunter with a reasonable chance of some success. Also lots of free, local coaching on technique -- with everyone involved understanding that failures are most likely not the fault of either the rifle or the cartridge.
 
The 170 was released in 2016. I’m pretty sure there was never any other Bergers that heavy prior. I recall the Matrix VLDs in the 160 gr plus range being the heavy 27 cal options of the day prior to that.
If you go look on LRH, we were talking about them and the release in 2012. I got a box as part of a group buy. I was going to have either Len (owner of LRH) make me a 270WSM with an 8 twist barrel or Kirby make me one of his Allen magnum cartridges in 270 caliber. Kirby talked me into a 338 Allen Xpress so I never shot the bullets and sold them on LRO a couple years later since my factory Winchester M70 in 270 is a 10 twist and will never get a new barrel because it was a gift from my father for Christmas when I was 12. In 2016 they may have become part of the EOL line but in the beginning, they weren't labeled as such.

Jay

Edit... I found my old threads on another forum and it was Bob Beck that initiated the 170 grain EOL bullet and it was the first bullet designed for the EOL lineup. The first discussions and field use for testers was in 2012.
 
I run a 270 a lot and at any practical hunting distance does what the PRC does. I have considered buying a PRC barrel, but those I know that have them show factory loads are very anemic (2800-2900fps). They also have been having to clean frequently, have had feeding issues, and burned out their barrels in under 1000 rounds.

The 270 case feeds reliably, does an honest 3150fps with 130gr factory, or 2950 with 150 class bullets. Plus, ammo is common and cheap for practice and you won't toast the barrel as fast as the PRC.
 
TLDR: retailers and internet traffic is showing that while .270 is still popular with the existing crowds. It is getting blown out of the water on gun sales by new comers like 6.5 prc and is slowly going to die off. Why?

Background: I've got a couple of rifles that shoot fairly well but aren't the most flat shooting (.308, 6.5 creed, .30-06, etc.) I got looking into new calibers for bucking the wind more to serve as a primarily desert based antelope/mule deer gun where the wind is brutal. I took to the internet and everyone was ranting and raving over the 6.5 PRC which almost got me to buy one until I saw ammo costs. I then went to sportsmans ammo section and filtered by lowest cost and found out that the 270 is nearly the same cost as my current calibers. I then got to researching it and immediately was shocked by how good of a cartridge it is and wondering why I had never heard of it before other than old guys with their wood stocked 1970's beauties claiming it can hit a tick on a coon hound. I realized for my hunting distances is effectively the same as the 6.5 prc and fits my goals pretty well. So, the shopping for a .270 rifle began and I realized very few of the higher end brands are making rifles in .270. In fact, across a few different retailers I've seen 2x the offerings of new rifles in 6.5 PRC vs .270 and only medium to budget rifles (tikka or below) offered in .270. I then asked around and couldn't find any hunting friends under the age of 45 who owned a .270. And none under 50 who actively hunted with it. I tried doing research on the caliber and could find many current posts or marketing for it. The ones I did find just talked about how it hasn't modernized as well as the legacy 30 cals. In fact, everyone points back to jack o conner who died 20ish years before I was born and I had never heard of. This ultimately lead me to believe that while the cartridge is still popular with certain shooters. The internet and retailers are showing that new sales and future generations are moving towards other options.

So, ammo is way cheaper, more plentiful, and it's ballistically equivalent to the modern 6.5 prc for hunting distances, and the same recoil. The only downside is a longer action and lesser chamber tolerances. So, why is it slowly dying? Is it just the marketing machine of "new"? Is it really that much easier to be accurate with the tighter tolerances of newer calibers?
I have a Benelli LUPO in 270 Winchester and it’s a beauty and it really shoots. It likes 130 gr bullets.
It has a 1:10 twist rate and maybe this limits max bullet weight And stops me from loading higher BC, heavier bullets.
Rom Spomer , a UTube guro did a story about rifle manufacturers
building with higher twist rate barrels.
I was on the Christensen web site and noticed their least expensive model, about $1000, the Evoke, is available in 270 Winchester with a 1: 8 twist barrel.
If I were shopping for a 270 that might push me that direction.
 
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George Gardner is still a businessman in the business of selling things, and has a very close relationship with Hornady, also very much a profit driven company. Again, if the intent were to only cater to a small group, the most serious of which already use custom barrels in whatever cartridge and twist they desire, it would be a very small market. Between George and Hornady they very carefully estimate potential markets and calculate the viability (profitability) before investing heavily on marketing any of them. It was surely a marketing selling point to have even less taper than any other “modern” cartridge - less than the Winchester short mags, RUMs, SAUMs, Rugers, etc. There’s no practical purpose to such straight walls other than to appear on paper as even more modern than the most modern of the competition.

If they wanted to benefit the shooting public, they could have supported the trend toward faster twists in standard cartridges and it seems every six months someone brings out another group of fast twist rifles without their help. To suggest legacy guns aren’t fast twist only applies if someone is only shooting legacy rifles, or the person doesn’t shoot enough to burn out barrels.

Marketing and advertising works - it’s actually genius for a reloading company to convince a generation to not reload and buy the much more profitable loaded ammo.
Trouble with simply starting to sell 270 ammo with 170 Bergers intended for newer 1-8 twist 270 rifles is all the clueless dudes who buy it to shoot it their SAMMI SPEC 270s.
Saami spec is there for a reason, you can't just go changing the spec because of all the existing old stuff.
Updating twist rates of rifles, like Tikka and the 1-8 243 however has no downside for the most part tho.
Those are the big reason for totally updating stuff like the 260 is now the 6.5 creed etc. It's the proper way to do it.
 
When I first started elk hunting, the choice (according to people I knew) was 30-06 or 270. I went with 270 for a number of reasons. It's obviously effective.

I say that as a preface to this: I can't think of anything that I can get done with a 270 that I can't also get done with a different cartridge with less recoil.
I used a 270 for everything from elk to pronghorn. And all the mule deer and black bear in between. I never used a 270 once I loved to AK but there’s no reason I wouldn’t. I use a 30-06 more than anything right now.
 
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Trouble with simply starting to sell 270 ammo with 170 Bergers intended for newer 1-8 twist 270 rifles is all the clueless dudes who buy it to shoot it their SAMMI SPEC 270s.
Saami spec is there for a reason, you can't just go changing the spec because of all the existing old stuff.
Updating twist rates of rifles, like Tikka and the 1-8 243 however has no downside for the most part tho.
Those are the big reason for totally updating stuff like the 260 is now the 6.5 creed etc. It's the proper way to do it.
“Updating” case shape, case capacity, twist rate, case material, or whatever, to see what sticks to the wall just clutters the shelves and produces many rifles that won’t have any ammo in 20 years. Every week someone posts a problem finding ammo for their “updated” cartridge, and the trend doesn’t seem like it will end any time soon.

Spitting out cartridges every year is no different from half ass movie sequels that are obviously made just to suck cash out of people rather than a quality product.
 
“Updating” case shape, case capacity, twist rate, case material, or whatever, to see what sticks to the wall just clutters the shelves and produces many rifles that won’t have any ammo in 20 years. Every week someone posts a problem finding ammo for their “updated” cartridge, and the trend doesn’t seem like it will end any time soon.

Spitting out cartridges every year is no different from half ass movie sequels that are obviously made just to suck cash out of people rather than a quality product.

I'm sure Federal, Hornady, Nosler, etc will take that under advisement next time they hear customers asking for something new.
 
“Updating” case shape, case capacity, twist rate, case material, or whatever, to see what sticks to the wall just clutters the shelves and produces many rifles that won’t have any ammo in 20 years. Every week someone posts a problem finding ammo for their “updated” cartridge, and the trend doesn’t seem like it will end any time soon.

Spitting out cartridges every year is no different from half ass movie sequels that are obviously made just to suck cash out of people rather than a quality product.
What recent cartridge can people not find ammo for? What I see is people who don't want to look for ammo where it is located. Just because Billy Bob can't get the new wiz bang ammo for his new super sniper shooter cartridge at the local Pay-N-Save doesn't mean the ammo isn't out there and readily available for purchase. There are a lot of people who refuse to buy ammo over the internet from an online dealer. No problem, more cheap ammo for me!

Jay
 
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What recent cartridge can people not find ammo for? What I see is people who don't want to look for ammo where it is located. Just because Billy Bob can't get the new wiz bang ammo for his new super sniper shooter cartridge at the local Pay-N-Save doesn't mean the ammo isn't out there and readily available for purchase. There are a lot of people who refuse to buy ammo over the internet from an online dealer. No problem, more cheap ammo for me!

Jay

Particular factory loads or components can be hard to find, even with rigorous searching. Particularly very popular niche ones. That .243 95-grain bullet is one example.

There was a thread where someone was looking for 7 PRC Federal Premium 175-grain ELD-X only yesterday.


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