Okay. I can see that being a real issue.
Name said cartridge that offers way more for way less? The Creedmoor only offers precision ammo because it was and is a target cartridge. Is it the lesser recoil? Are you saying that it's way less ability as a hunting cartridge is more? I never said the 270 was the end all of 1000 yard target cartridges, it is a hunting cartridge. Born and bred for hunting. If I were to build a custom rifle in 6.5-06 I could do the same thing with the 270 and which would end up being the better cartridge? Very good 1000 yard bullets are being designed in .277 as we speak and a few are already here. But that doesn't matter to me. I hunt and the longest range I have available for my use is 130 miles away and only goes to 500 yards. The question is rhetorical as the 270 Winchester is fine. Still up in the top ten cartridges as to sales.
Snicker snicker you missed the point.
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both 243 and 270 rifles are being manufactured with faster twist barrels. I have a Remington 700 in 243 that came with a 1-8 twist. Hunting load this year uses the 85 gr. Sierra HPBT at 3250 fps.
Interesting. The future is wide open.All new bullets in .277
270 Caliber 170 Grain Elite Hunter Rifle Bullet
Elite Hunter Bullets are identical in construction, shape and performance to the Berger Hybrid Target series, except they utilize a thinner J4 Precision Jacket for rapid expansion on game animals.270 Caliber 165gr AccuBond Long Range
270 Caliber 165gr AccuBond® Long Range NOTE: Requires a Minimum 1-9" TwistBarnes has a heavy .277 bullet
Sierra has a 175g 277 bullet
Basically, Hornady is the only major hunting bullet maker without a heavy for caliber bullet because they want people to buy 6.5PRC ammo.
Change is coming. Right now, people can buy a factory x-bolt 270 with a 1/7.5 twist barrel.
Nobody here has called the .270 anything less than what it is: A capable and reliable hunting cartridge with a well-earned 100-year history.
Can you define a "target cartridge" please. Every cartridge I've ever seen was just an engine for launching a projectile. It provides the horsepower to give a projectile velocity, nothing more or less. Every cartridge should be loaded to the best precision possible. Why would they change the way they load ammo based on the stamp on the case? Maybe, just maybe, some cartridge designs just are easier to load for higher precision because the bullets for that caliber are of new design with better external ballistics for use in faster twist barrels than those classic designs commonly used in cartridges like the 270 Winchester with slow twist barrels. If the appropriate twist for accuracy in a 243, 264, and 284 is 1/8", then why is the 277 a 1/10"?
The primary issue with the PPC these days is the availability of the 6ARC in Factory rifles/ammo/components and ability to build a 6BR, Dasher, BRX, etc. on a .308 bolt face.
Explain how it is a better choice unless I am mostly interested in target shooting? I can load a 270 down to equal Creedmoor ballistics if needed.
Over decades of use under many different hunting conditions I found the 270 with good controlled expansion 150 grain bullets to be a reliable killer of game up through the size of Elk. I had one for a loaner rifle and it stacked up a huge pile of game.
Sure , interesting that the last three Elk hunts I was on the only 6.5 of any sort present was a 6.5 Creed and it was a backup rifle. Not a large following among elk hunters. I also agree the 6.5 CM was built into a niche that it actually missed. I give it every bit of credit for being an accurate cartridge with good factory support. It doesn't match 6.5x55 ballistics or that cartridges rich history as a match cartridge and it is better than the 260 in that it's neck lengthens at a shorter rate. I see the 6.5 CM popularity leveling out as people find that fragmenting bullets don't provide what good controlled expansion bullets offer, a lesson learned several times over the years. And that shooting at extended ranges favors those with elevated skill levels and luck.
Jack was an eloquent son of a gun. He was also an English teacher.
