Why is the .270 dying?

It is an amazing round and I have killed more deer with it than all my other calibers combined. I wound up trying “newer” calibers after passing my .270 down to my oldest son. I’ve spent more on newer rifles and definitely more on newer ammo but none have truly “outdone” my old .270!
 
Because Hornady hasn't recreated it, it's not new hot and sexy, long case, lots of tape, low angle shoulder, just not the new trend of efficiency.

Take out the taper, put a 30° shoulder on it(would boost capacity by probably 4-5gr), neck to 6.5mm to run slippery 140gr bullets 3k fps or higher.

Wait that's a 65prc/saum? See......everything has been done, these new cartridges are just fresh revisions. The good ol 270 Jack O'Connor special will do everything a N American hunter needs out to 400y with a nosler accubond. I'd venture to say Nosler is the only ones really trying to keep the 277 afloat. They have several bullets that are heavy for cal. 170/150 ballistic tip, 165/150 ablr, 160/150gr partition.
 
I'll take a bull barrel .270 just for the hell of it, to go along with 700 mountain rifle and featherweight I already have 😂
 
I have several pre 64 model 70 270's and still enjoy shooting/hunting them, always will. I do also like the the 6.5 CM and 6 CM I put together on Kimber 84M actions as the rifles ended up being a little lighter, use less powder and serve the about the same needs.....I like them all.
 
Because Hornady hasn't recreated it, it's not new hot and sexy, long case, lots of tape, low angle shoulder, just not the new trend of efficiency.

Take out the taper, put a 30° shoulder on it(would boost capacity by probably 4-5gr), neck to 6.5mm to run slippery 140gr bullets 3k fps or higher.

Wait that's a 65prc/saum? See......everything has been done, these new cartridges are just fresh revisions. The good ol 270 Jack O'Connor special will do everything a N American hunter needs out to 400y with a nosler accubond. I'd venture to say Nosler is the only ones really trying to keep the 277 afloat. They have several bullets that are heavy for cal. 170/150 ballistic tip, 165/150 ablr, 160/150gr partition.

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A better question would be “why is the .270 so great at making stuff die”!

But the simple answer to this question is slower barrel twists that do not accommodate more efficient modern bullets. But screw on a faster twisted barrel and the .270 lacks nothing.
Gotcha, can you explain further on slower twist rates? I haven't heard anyone bring this up before.
 
if you don’t like shooting you 30/06 a 270 or 6.5 prc won’t be much better, obviously stock design matters as well. A 243 or a 224 cal with the right bullets are plenty for deer and antelope, they’ll be easier to shoot well also.
I can shoot .30-06, just not in the scrappy first gen axis. Also, I put a suppressor on everything now which I couldn't do with the axis. I had a begarra .30-06 that I can run just fine.
 
I have no nostalgia attached to the .270. All l I see is having to commit to a long action standard bolt face and an antiquated looking case design. No advantages when starting from scratch.
 
I have no nostalgia attached to the .270. All l I see is having to commit to a long action standard bolt face and an antiquated looking case design. No advantages when starting from scratch.
Would you consider ammo cost and availability and advantage?
 
It’s going to take a lot of dirt to bury the .270 Winchester. The .270 has enough “wallop” to kill anything in North America out past where most people should be shooting.

Rifle manufacturers could easily be making faster twist barrels to shoot heavy for caliber bullets in the .270, but they work in conjunction with bullet manufacturers to sell new rifles and cartridges. These become a package deal to get people to stop using what they already own. As you noted, the 6.5 PRC and .270 Winchester are very similar within normal maximum hunting ranges. The difference is purely marketing.

I just had my old custom Mauser .270 cut (21”) and threaded so that I feel comfortable continuing to use it for years to come. Wearing her OG she measures 46.5” long and 9.9#. I will probably upgrade the old Redfield scope she wears (and the mounts, which I don’t consider a reliable design), but she’s been a great rifle for me for over 30 years and I expect she will only get better with age.
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I have no nostalgia attached to the .270. All l I see is having to commit to a long action standard bolt face and an antiquated looking case design. No advantages when starting from scratch.

What is wrong with the “antiquated-looking case design”? You just think it looks old-fashioned?

I’ve got no nostalgia either, but many of these these old rifles and cartridges just work.

If I was starting from scratch, a used .270 Winchester from a high quality maker would be an excellent starting point for a North American hunter. But a .243 Winchester would be an even better starting point.

The .270 isn’t going to get killed off by the 6.5 PRC. But the people who buy new .270 and 6.5 PRC rifles should probably be getting 6mm cartridges instead.


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I love my .270’s! Waiting on a new Xbolt 2 speed in .270 that I ordered as we speak. I have an older Winchester xpr that gets beat on at the ranch I hunt and does a great job dispatching hogs.
 
Consider this, all bullets fall to the earth sometime. So what difference does it make if it bucks the wind or is flatter shooting than another cartridge? If you cant shoot a 308 to a thousand yards you cant shoot a 7 PRC or a 6.5 PRC either, cause they all fall down. It comes down to your ability to shoot a rifle.
while I can shoot a .308 to 1k. It doesn't hurt to have a better advantage. The desert spot i was hunting pronghorn in last year and late season elk this year rarely (less than 2 hours per day) goes below a 10mph wind. It often is around 15 and sometimes goes above 20. My current .308 load will get pushed off target by ~10.5in at 300 yards in a average crosswind. But the key to me is how much will changing winds affect my probability. Long story short, the .270 gets me approximately 2x the error in a wind call and still hitting a pronghorn sized vitals at 300 yards which is super helpful out there. Similarly, it's really hard to range them, you can't shoot brush in front or behind because it's so flat it could be 50 yards off. Being flatter helps to take out the error of a bad range.
 
Adding to the .270 original recipe love fest here. I've had a few in every action and all have been plenty accurate. While the recoil level may be above what is needed for optimized wounding with modern bullets, I've rarely found it objectionable. It certainly kills well and the biggest 6.5 fanboy I know reaches for his 270 everytime he gets serious about making meat.
I know the rokslide may find this hard to believe and I want to specify this may be just my province in Canada but a lot of rifle hunters still don't own range finders and use sfp scopes and think a Golden circle on the scope means it is great. So flat trajectories and zeroing 2" high at 100 and holding on hide out to 300 meters is still valued by many. Combine with factory ammo 1/2 to 1/3 the price of the 6.5 PRC and loads of used and entry level rifles and it's staying in the top 10 for a long while.
Some how I've never kept one through a hunting season. Every 2-3 years I get one, usually in a trade deal, dial it in and then loan it out. Only to have the borrower beg to buy it after taking their first deer, black bear or moose or just liking the rifle. Infact I doubt I've carried one hunting. May have to remedy that after all this is her centennial year.
The unfortunate lack of support for the 6.8 western really falls on Winchester missing the mark. They really needed to get more manufacturers on board to chamber and possibly produce ammo. Or they should have done the logical step and made it a 7mm.
 
Because Hornady hasn't recreated it, it's not new hot and sexy, long case, lots of tape, low angle shoulder, just not the new trend of efficiency.

Take out the taper, put a 30° shoulder on it(would boost capacity by probably 4-5gr), neck to 6.5mm to run slippery 140gr bullets 3k fps or higher.

Wait that's a 65prc/saum? See......everything has been done, these new cartridges are just fresh revisions. The good ol 270 Jack O'Connor special will do everything a N American hunter needs out to 400y with a nosler accubond. I'd venture to say Nosler is the only ones really trying to keep the 277 afloat. They have several bullets that are heavy for cal. 170/150 ballistic tip, 165/150 ablr, 160/150gr partition.
That's a pretty good summary I think. There is definitely some benefit to "modern" case designs (and the SAAMI specs/tolerances that come with them).

The .270 was/is a great way to get a medium weight bullet moving quickly. It doesn't do heavy for caliber high BC bullets well (in factory configuration) and those bullets aren't readily available in factory ammo. Rebarreling, handloading, and ideally a longer magazine are required to get a .270 to do what a 6.5 PRC does out of the box with factory ammo.

Before we all had rangefinders and scopes that dialed correctly, we guessed that the deer was at 300 and if it was at 350, that might be 7" or more error with a .308win. It's more like 4-5" with a .270, a real tangible difference.

With rangefinders and good scopes, the flat shooting nature of the .270 is much less of an advantage than it used to be. Other cartridges now are just as effective out to moderate ranges with less recoil/powder burned, and/or longer barrel life. At long range, the .270 is at a disadvantage to cartridges like the 6.5 PRC and similar that are spending that recoil and powder (and COAL) budget on getting a heavy high BC bullet going at medium speeds. If you need three more clicks on your turret at 400 yards, that is a tiny price to pay for better wind performance, higher retained velocity, and a heavier for caliber bullet impacting the animal.

I think there's something to be said also for starting a heavy bullet a little slower and what that allows. A bullet that starts at 3200 FPS probably needs to be on the harder/tougher side if you plan on shooting something at 50 yards. That means as that velocity decays (and it will decay quickly with a light for caliber low BC bullet) those wound channels from a hard bullet going slow at longer range will get small.

A wound channel from a heavy, soft bullet that starts below "extreme fragmentation" velocity and stays above "underwhelming upset" velocity kills very consistently from very close to very far. The far end is helped by the bullet having a lower "low limit" velocity, and also by high BC helping retain that velocity further out.

That's all possible with a .270, but it takes quite a bit of work to get there.
 
Consider this, all bullets fall to the earth sometime. So what difference does it make if it bucks the wind or is flatter shooting than another cartridge? If you cant shoot a 308 to a thousand yards you cant shoot a 7 PRC or a 6.5 PRC either, cause they all fall down. It comes down to your ability to shoot a rifle.

A round ball out of a muzzleloader falls to the earth sometime as well. Are you really claiming that a higher BC bullet and/or higher starting velocity has no effect on how effective a rifle is at long range?
 
People nowadays seem to be long action averse.

Its simply a trend. As popularity of cartridges changes, other cartidges fall to the wayside. Look at all the record size animals killed with the 3006 and the dates they were killed. I bet in 10 years the newer cartridges will be creeping in there
 
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