Why is Seek Outside giving gun control advocate Ryan Busse air time?

[Okhotnik]

Yawn, more tired slippery slope arguments full of emotion and absent of logic. The kind of stuff I expect on 24hrcampfire and am disappointed to see on here.

not surprised

 

[Okhotnik]

Hearing him talk likely isn't changing your position on hunting, but could possibly give you some insight into why he supports the position he does, which could be valuable when encountering those with a similar view in the future.

To summarize what harm does it do to expose this opinion to the core group of subscribers to the podcast, who by your own omission are hunters?

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Why would you want to listen to someone who hates and despises you ( documented in hundreds of Busse's twitter posts, his book) and wants to take away your civil rights

 

[t_carlson]

Busse is an anti gun BHA clown. Its weird BHA members buy off on this,

BHA is a very liberal organization, if you haven't noticed.

I found a used copy of the book on Amazon. I'm going to give it a read and see what he claims. I'll report back with my findings...

 

[tdhanses]

I could be wrong but it seems like a lot of the posters that are willing to give SO/Kevin a pass are from Colorado. Two things come to mind from that observation (which could be a wrong observation). Maybe that is why Colorado is the next WA, OR, CA? Hunters in Colorado are willing to compromise. Curious where compromising has gotten hunters and 2A supporters?

Or maybe it's because SO is a Colorado company?

After seeing what happened and is happening on the coast, it seems obvious what playbook not to follow. But hunters in Colorado are willing to follow the same playbook the coast followed. Interesting.

Here is a law in Washington. Colorado you are next. You are super low hanging fruit. Especially when saying anti 2A stuff doesn't matter.

"The state defines “transfers” of firearms as more than just a transaction that changes ownership of the gun. Even loaning your pistol to a friend or other temporary changes in possession of the firearm requires a licensed firearms dealer to perform a background check before you can proceed."

Believe that is already law in CO, came with the mag restrictions.

 

[Okhotnik]

BHA is a very liberal organization, if you haven't noticed.

I found a used copy of the book on Amazon. I'm going to give it a read and see what he claims. I'll report back with my findings...

Myself, and Seek in general have always been naturally curious. Being naturally curious leads us to experiment with fabrics and designs. This natural curiosity means we are open to discussing, learning, and deciding if it is useful to us.

In 2021, we recorded our second podcast with Ryan Busse, because we were curious about what he had to say. The first pod, he was a VP at Kimber and I had known him for several years when he had been a VP at Kimber. We understood he had written a book that many might find negative to the gun industry. That sounds interesting, why the shift? Maybe hunters want to hear why the shift ? We clearly stated we had not read the book, and by doing a podcast it did not mean agreement or approval. We couldn’t really push back, because we had not read the book. I am fine to have discussions with people I disagree with. Disagreements can help us learn and evolve, concrete our viewpoints, or challenge them. I am the type of person who can have a conversation with someone I disagree with, perhaps I come to value their viewpoint, or understand it, even if I disagree. I also think that our podcast is meant to be more exploratory rather than a place for a debate.

As an example, we have also done a podcast with the North American Non-Lead Partnership. It was about knowledge and learning but we didn’t go on a crusade to ban lead. No one has tried to cancel us because of the podcast. It was about learning, and what we can better be done from his perspective.

That being said, I find questioning our support to the hunting community a bit misguided. We donate often to small archery clubs, small hunting clubs, LE, and many small groups, not including large donations BHA, Wild Sheep, Trout Unlimited, Sportsman for the Boundary waters, TWS, TRCP, the Arctic National Refuge, Pheasants Forever ….and generally, these aren’t small donations.

I also find interesting parallels in some of the comments expressed here, from hunters, and those from other customer segments. I am aware that some Rec. people try to dismiss us as a hunting brand, and some hunters try to dismiss us as a rec brand. We do support some rec groups like American Packrafting Association but in any recreational setting, we still unequivocally support public land fair chase hunting. It’s not like we change who we are when communicating to groups. We just want to be who we are and understand there is market overlap.

There is also no political litmus test to work at Seek. I know we have some people, that are fairly conservative, and likely some that are not. I literally do not care. The only real litmus test is you have to be hunting-friendly, pro outdoors, show up for work, and do a good job. We have taught and mentored several of our employees who enjoyed the outdoors in non-hunting ways on how to hunt. We don’t force them to hunt by any means but if they want to learn we are happy to help and have directly added to our hunter population.

Overall, I feel this division and cancellation culture has gotten out of hand. Every topic or debate should allow for more nuanced opinions. I personally am an avid hunter, but I don’t want to do every type of hunting just to hunt. I like big wild places, and the experience, so I’m unlikely to be hunting over a feeder. However, I also don’t try to take away any type of hunting, some types just aren’t my gig and don’t align with what I want to experience. Likewise, when it comes to guns, you can be pro-ownership but want less gun-related crime. On this specific topic, I don't have any answers but my nature is to learn the perspectives of those who think that they do. Discussion can be more nuanced. Opinions can be more nuanced

Regarding Twitter, I have been meaning to distance myself from almost all forms of social. I even communicated that to Robby at the Western Hunting Expo (saying I was far less involved with RS as well .. until today) I mostly used twitter for football. I also have been an occasional agitator for fun … a little bit of both sides. So it feels fair, I am not a fan of the far left either. However, I have followed from both sides ..to see what is said. You could probably cherry pick things followed on both sides if you wanted. Last night, I had removed twitter from my phone (not because of this thread, but to get away from social.. at that time I had no idea of this thread) .. so today, I saw posts, screenshots in this thread, so I deactivated it period. After all football season ended last week and that was my main reason on twitter. Just to be clear, I am not a fan of Trump, though I actually mostly followed the Republican debates in 2016 and wasn’t a fan of Hillary either. I’m fairly in the middle. I like to get outside, I like to hunt. I like talking adventures with people. I like big wild places.

I saw your twitter posts before you deleted them. you were never even close to the middle and you supported cancel culture and shutting down opinions different yours. you should own this instead of playing the victim which always is the tactic when caught. I was pretty disgusted I gave your company my business.

 

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Many states are the next oregon.

 

[Ratbeetle]

Many states are the next oregon.

Oh come on man, I've been reassured that slippery slopes don't exist and these people only want to have a "honest conversation".

 

[AdamLewis]

you supported cancel culture and shutting down opinions different yours.

All of those cancel culture types are pro-cancel culture right up until they are the ones getting cancelled. Then....oh no this has gotten out of hand we need to be more tolerant of other opinions.

 

[BarCO]

All of those cancel culture types are pro-cancel culture right up until they are the ones getting cancelled. Then....oh no this has gotten out of hand we need to be more tolerant of other opinions.

Cancel culture is ridiculous , but I would bet if an anti gun person was reading this they would relish a divided hunting community.

 

[sacklunch]

Cancel culture is ridiculous , but I would bet if an anti gun person was reading this they would relish a divided hunting community.

They would be mistaken to think the gun debate is about hunting.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Wild read. I wont be spending a cent with SO ever. Sorry, there are too many other options out there.

 

[BarCO]

They would be mistaken to think the gun debate is about hunting.

Interesting that you now refer to it as a debate. I did not expect that.

 

[sacklunch]

Interesting that you now refer to it as a debate. I did not expect that.

You're right, i should have just used the typical liberal framework of..."we just want to have a conversation..."

I'll debate the 2nd Amendment anyday...here, I'll go first..."Shall not be infringed."

End of debate.

 

[Okhotnik]

Cancel culture is ridiculous , but I would bet if an anti gun person was reading this they would relish a divided hunting community.

Well the anti gun groups of course love this and have imbedded themselves in sportsmen culture to redefine hunting, racism in the sporting world, the second amendment and conservationship. And started anti gun "hunting" woke groups like BHA , and supporting Busse's leadership at BHA, woke hunting sites like hunt talk, and anti gun, woke influencers on hunting podcasts and hunting clothing companies like sitka

 

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seek phone # 970.208.8108

 

[Okhotnik]

They would be mistaken to think the gun debate is about hunting.

Name one state that restricted gun laws and did not eventually shut down sportsmen's opportunities. This is a political mind set and movement that affects sportsmen big time

 

[Ratbeetle]

You're right, i should have just used the typical liberal framework of..."we just want to have a conversation..."

I'll debate the 2nd Amendment anyday...here, I'll go first..."Shall not be infringed."

End of debate.

It really is that simple.

 

[30338]

I've been in sales for 35 years. Run my own business for 12 years. I never talk politics, religion, sexual preference, or entertainment with clients. I've successfully never lost a client over those years for any of these reasons that I am aware of. The fact some of these companies elect to make these types of decisions seems very strange to me. Nothing really to add to this thread just sitting back quietly shaking my head.

 

[GLB]

Seek Outside products was not on my to buy list and with what I’m finding out now, it will stay that way.

 

[Gutshotem]

Could also be we have had more exposure to Kevin in real life,

Curious how often brave Kevin usees the "C" word to describe women in "real life," since I've seen him do it on his now deleted Twitter page?