Interesting question into human nature…
I want everyone, including the parrots and trolls to comment. Information is free, so you get what you paid for it. That means you have to do the work to get what you want.
In forums like this, it means swimming through the Koolaid swamps and avoiding the trolls under the bridges. Sometimes there are even people who just disagree and are also disagreeable…
The alternative is to pay for information, and then you don’t have to work to find your answer. But, it’s obviously gonna be much more expensive.
On RS I think we have a mix of good people. It’s one of my favor forums because it is the hunters most like me. Some are parrots for sure. Others are genuine and want to steer fellow enthusiasts away from scopes that failed them. Others are here for the fun of it.
I learn to ignore most of the internet. I look for those that are genuine and contribute to be helpful. They usually stand out with more information than “that sucks”. I appreciate them because they provide information, context and perspective.
I especially like to “argue” a point with others, in the debate sense of the word, because it makes me think about my position and make good sound arguments. If I am honest, it also helps me check my ego and learn to become better.
Contributors might not let a thing go, because they want ti contribute positively.
For instance, I would make this comment or something else on threads about the MK5 that failed.
It it helpful or not? Is it fan boy or not?
I have a MK5 on my rifle that has been dropped, flown to AK, treated like a tool, rode in the back of trucks and buggys in a soft case on teeth rattling AZ “roads” that has always held zero. It’s a sample of one, but it’s mine so it means more to me as ai have trust in it.
But, the MK5 performed terribly, twice for Form. It’s a data point as they say. If a scope performs well on the test, that’s a good sign. But, that’s all it is.
I would be a fool to ignore what Form experienced, but that doesn’t mean my MK5 is in imminent danger of failure. So, it’s a reminder to me to treat my gear with more care.
I have taken falls in scree and rocks with my rifle. I could again. Heck, I could take a fall that no scope could survive if it caught the rock just right. So, I am mindful to take simple steps. With this, I gotta say that is seems the vast majority of Roksliders aren’t going to see the same terrain as me or danger of breaking a scope based on many conversations about other gear that is unique to the rocky terrain of much of Arizona.
My experience is limited, so there is value to me for the naysayers to talk about Mk5 as much as possible. If so become convinced, I may make a different decision.
The actual forces each scope gets subjected to is a little different. Hard packed snow, crusted snow, pad over dirt, etc. What if the scope that failed one test hit a particularly hard spot that even a more reliable scope couldn’t withstand?
Form is honest about his tests and they are informative. I bought a Trijicon Tenmile because of the test and reputation.
But, I am under no illusion that it won’t fail. I just like having the data points and there is a good reason to choose it over others.
That said, my MK5 is still on my primary hunting rifle. If I come in and give my data point, I take it as the same as people who tell me not to use the MK5. It’s a data point.
Sometimes the number of datapoints is important. Gear that fails more regularly is called out, and it’s not scientific but some trends are helpful to me.
I think both sides need to pay attention to trends.
When it comes to the MK5, I also know guys that shoot more than me and treat their rifles worse than me. Some are professional users. They swear by MK5 and NF for reliability. They also like Tikka, but still run Rem 700 clones and their “non-drop safe” triggers “prone to failure.”
If someone asks the question, everyone should get to answer. In the end, if you can’t pick out the useful information to you don’t ask it or don’t read it. Or, learn to pick out what matters among the noise.
If a new guy asks the same question, it’s probably because they can’t wade through the swamp, and need some help. So, everything comes out again.
Gotta live with it or get off the internet…
I want everyone, including the parrots and trolls to comment. Information is free, so you get what you paid for it. That means you have to do the work to get what you want.
In forums like this, it means swimming through the Koolaid swamps and avoiding the trolls under the bridges. Sometimes there are even people who just disagree and are also disagreeable…
The alternative is to pay for information, and then you don’t have to work to find your answer. But, it’s obviously gonna be much more expensive.
On RS I think we have a mix of good people. It’s one of my favor forums because it is the hunters most like me. Some are parrots for sure. Others are genuine and want to steer fellow enthusiasts away from scopes that failed them. Others are here for the fun of it.
I learn to ignore most of the internet. I look for those that are genuine and contribute to be helpful. They usually stand out with more information than “that sucks”. I appreciate them because they provide information, context and perspective.
I especially like to “argue” a point with others, in the debate sense of the word, because it makes me think about my position and make good sound arguments. If I am honest, it also helps me check my ego and learn to become better.
Contributors might not let a thing go, because they want ti contribute positively.
For instance, I would make this comment or something else on threads about the MK5 that failed.
It it helpful or not? Is it fan boy or not?
I have a MK5 on my rifle that has been dropped, flown to AK, treated like a tool, rode in the back of trucks and buggys in a soft case on teeth rattling AZ “roads” that has always held zero. It’s a sample of one, but it’s mine so it means more to me as ai have trust in it.
But, the MK5 performed terribly, twice for Form. It’s a data point as they say. If a scope performs well on the test, that’s a good sign. But, that’s all it is.
I would be a fool to ignore what Form experienced, but that doesn’t mean my MK5 is in imminent danger of failure. So, it’s a reminder to me to treat my gear with more care.
I have taken falls in scree and rocks with my rifle. I could again. Heck, I could take a fall that no scope could survive if it caught the rock just right. So, I am mindful to take simple steps. With this, I gotta say that is seems the vast majority of Roksliders aren’t going to see the same terrain as me or danger of breaking a scope based on many conversations about other gear that is unique to the rocky terrain of much of Arizona.
My experience is limited, so there is value to me for the naysayers to talk about Mk5 as much as possible. If so become convinced, I may make a different decision.
The actual forces each scope gets subjected to is a little different. Hard packed snow, crusted snow, pad over dirt, etc. What if the scope that failed one test hit a particularly hard spot that even a more reliable scope couldn’t withstand?
Form is honest about his tests and they are informative. I bought a Trijicon Tenmile because of the test and reputation.
But, I am under no illusion that it won’t fail. I just like having the data points and there is a good reason to choose it over others.
That said, my MK5 is still on my primary hunting rifle. If I come in and give my data point, I take it as the same as people who tell me not to use the MK5. It’s a data point.
Sometimes the number of datapoints is important. Gear that fails more regularly is called out, and it’s not scientific but some trends are helpful to me.
I think both sides need to pay attention to trends.
When it comes to the MK5, I also know guys that shoot more than me and treat their rifles worse than me. Some are professional users. They swear by MK5 and NF for reliability. They also like Tikka, but still run Rem 700 clones and their “non-drop safe” triggers “prone to failure.”
If someone asks the question, everyone should get to answer. In the end, if you can’t pick out the useful information to you don’t ask it or don’t read it. Or, learn to pick out what matters among the noise.
If a new guy asks the same question, it’s probably because they can’t wade through the swamp, and need some help. So, everything comes out again.
Gotta live with it or get off the internet…
