Who else has caught the Rona?

[roadrunner]

Agreed, not arguing just not seeing much benefit. Add another twist, person gets vax. figures they are good to go and do not get sick, have covid have no idea and spread it all over.

Masks seem basically useless, the fashion statement versions anyway, the n95 looks to be effective.

So, the vaxed have to wear masks to keep the unvaxed from getting sick?

Classic example of both making a personal decision, both understand the risks, and the group punishment approach the CDC uses is chicken at best.

Gov't doesn't want you to make decisions for yourself...

 

[chukwithak]

Not yet, but fighting the bitch every day in the ER. We're currently in our worst spike. 120 positives in our hospital. Had to take 2 bodies to the morgue today.

 

[Rob5589]

So, the vaxed have to wear masks to keep the unvaxed from getting sick?

Classic example of both making a personal decision, both understand the risks, and the group punishment approach the CDC uses is chicken at best.

Gov't doesn't want you to make decisions for yourself...

It seems now that the asymptomatic vaxxed are being blamed for the spread causing masks to recur, not the unvaxxed. How's that for stupid? This whole thing is like a bad movie that we are stuck watching.

 

[MattB]

Overall it is 98, but break it down by age group and it takes on a different impact. the numbers are actually staggering for the older population.

And with the asymptomatix who are not testers and hence not in the denominator, the actual % is likely a fair bit lower than 1.8%. Having said that, that is still more than 600K Americans.

 

[MattB]

It's been 18 months, sorry to break it to everyone, but none of this is news anymore. Let it go maybe...Or we can keep feeding the media narrative and fuel more mandates and lockdowns, because why not, they worked the first time, right?

Perhaps you have not heard of the Delta variant? The game has recently changed in terms of the implications of vaccination. Given the misconceptions held by some on this forum, some find it worthy of discussion.

 

[*zap*]

I thought 1/2 the test results were wrong and the other half exaggerated?

I did my 'few weeks' social distancing over a year ago...

 

[Vandy321]

Anyone care to explain what happened to the flu? Nobody surprised that there was 98% decrease in flu cases this winter vs last? Funny how so many people have flu-like symptoms, but nobody has the flu...Could it be that all those cases of the flu were called covid, and you believed it?

CDC estimates 25000 to 62000 deaths due to flu in 2019/20 season...magically, only 695 flu related deaths this season...

In before someone says it was due to social distancing and masks

 

[*zap*]

Kung flu cured the regular flu...and is workin on other stuff now.

 

[Broomd]

Far as I have known, dogs are the only market left for ivermectin.


Maybe someone is reinventing it.

We use ivermectin quite often for our cattle. They make the aforementioned paste, injectables, and the very popular pour-on that we we use on our highlanders for worms and parasites.

 

[Mike7]

I won't try to counter some of the misinformation on this thread, but do find it interesting that Matt B. posts a link which demonstrates the exact opposite of his position?

"You go to war with the army you have, not the one you want." Ivermectin "seems" to be one of many treatments with pretty good evidence for efficacy, and with a much better serious side effect profile than it appears the current vaccines have...along with no possibility of vaccine mediated disease enhancement. I can read studies that support all of this without needing the PR people at the CDC to hold my hand. So I don't really care if the mainstream group think disagrees with me, particularly without them providing a good argument for their position (I will change my opinion any time though, when there is a convincing accumulation of new information.).

I remember in the past being told by the mainstream group medical think "experts" (despite that I was not seeing a good rationale from reading the data or using my own common sense) that I should just believe them, and give every patient narcotics until they had zero pain, and give every post menopausal woman lots of estrogen, or I was committing malpractice. Turns out, the group think was wrong, but it took years for the voices in the minority to be heard.

Based upon experience, I am skeptical of everything (vaccines, ivermectin, etc.), "especially" where big pharma is involved, even though they do a lot of good. Fool me once shame on you, fool me 100 times big pharma, then shame on me.

Annecdotally...Today I went in on my day off to check for positive covid lab results. 3 more 75 year old vaccinated individuals with 2-3 days of cough and fever, positive for covid. They will be better in 24-48 hours on ivermectin which I sent in at their request. Without this, some seem to proceed to SOB between day 5 and 10, and then can end up at the hospital. Employed providers in various hospital systems don't have autonomy to use what works. I am lucky that I do.

I suspect many hospitals will get over-run with this covid wave. They seem to be doing better with their in hospital treatment, but there doesn't seem to be much of a multi-pronged effort to keep people out of the hospital through Vitamin D education, etc. Sometimes people get seen at the ER, perhaps get a single steroid injection, get released, and then end up at the ER again in 1-2 days.

Maybe enhanced access to outpatient Regen-cov treatment like in Florida will keep high risk people out of the hospital. It is expensive, so maybe that will be better accepted by the govt/pharma establishment?

 

[Mike7]

This is an interesting summary of recommendations for vaccine development by a conference of experts/researchers in virology and immunology.

That is a lot of vaccine development and testing on animals, followed by challenges with SARS 2 at varying intervals after vaccination (to include when antibodies are waning) that they are recommending take place between March and October 2020, when the vaccines were deemed ready by the drug companies.

Somewhat ironically, one of the conference contributors (the covid researcher out of the Univ of NC), was the same Phd that collaborated with the 2 chinese researchers working on covid gain of function at the Wuhan bioweapons lab.

I see that a couple of covid nasal vaccines may come out during the next year...that sounds promising.

Consensus summary report for CEPI/BC March 12–13, 2020 meeting: Assessment of risk of disease enhancement with COVID-19 vaccines

A novel coronavirus (CoV), Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), emerged in late 2019 in Wuhan, China and has since spread as a global pandemic. Safe and effective vaccines are thus urgently needed to reduce the significant morbidity ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[DWinVA]

Some good info here on Ivermectin.

Home

FLCCC is The Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance: Dedicated to COVID prevention & treatment, empowering individuals for better health.

covid19criticalcare.com

God Bless.

 

[Hootsma]

I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you.

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So let me get this straight. I make a claim regarding the CDCs guidelines. I’m asked to back up that claim, which I do with statements taken directly from the CDCs website. You respond with incoherent irrational ramblings that have mostly nothing to do with me or my statements. Then you go on to make claims attempting to refute the CDC statements I presented to you in black and white. I ask you to back up your claims regarding the CDC, which of course you cannot and somehow in your head I’m the one who doesn’t understand…?

I can see here it is pointless to try and have a rational, reasoned adult conversation with you. I’m done bashing my head against a brick wall.

Good luck to you and stay healthy.

 

[Fatcamp]

Just a "science" article about ivermectin and covid from the tin foil hat wearers at the...

(checks notes)

... NIH.

RETRACTED ARTICLE: The mechanisms of action of Ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2: An evidence-based clinical review article

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

While interesting, that is not from the NIH, it is a study posted on the NIH website done by Indian and Italian authors. Interesting article, but should be factual.

On the international stage is there a major medical group advocating for the use of hydroxychloriquine and Ivermectin? Serious question.

 

[Billy Goat]

We use ivermectin quite often for our cattle. They make the aforementioned paste, injectables, and the very popular pour-on that we we use on our highlanders for worms and parasites.

Right, but do you do fecal floats?


We lost all effectiveness with it 20 years ago.


Parasites build up resistance.

 

[Southforkguy]

This thread just took a nose dive at 6pm yesterday lol. I had to laugh reading through the posts waiting for it to get dirty... and then it did

 

[dtrkyman]

Back on topic, anyone have the Rona?

 

[DenverCountryBoy]

While interesting, that is not from the NIH, it is a study posted on the NIH website done by Indian and Italian authors. Interesting article, but should be factual.

On the international stage is there a major medical group advocating for the use of hydroxychloriquine and Ivermectin? Serious question.

I don't know if there is an organized group, but there was widespread usage in most provinces in India where the delta variant was the primary strain. The provinces that didn't use ivermectin had a higher mortality rate.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

This was when the Vax rate was still low.

 

[Trial153]

Just hoping no Rokslider ends up taking a fatal dose of a livestock drug due to their politics. I wouldn’t bat an eye if any of these got COVID and went to a doctor who prescribed the version of ivermectin approved for human use in an experimental capacity to treat COVID, but to take animal meds as a prophylactic outside the care of a physician strikes me as Darwin-award winining stupid.

You can’t make this shit up. If it wasn’t so freaking sad it would be laughable

 

[Red Letters]

My wife got it, I did not. She ran a fever for about 12 days, no smell or taste after about the fourth day and a nasty cough. Aside from not drinking or eating after her you couldn’t be more exposed than I was. I feel blessed to have dodged that bullet, I would like to know if she’s immune now and whether or not I have been the whole time. We were fortunate to live in a state with no lockdowns so we’ve been business as usual for the entire time. I probably stayed home in the beginning a little more than usual.

I don’t think its politics that make people not want a vaccine, they have lied about and distorted everything about this event and they have absolutely been trying make it a much bigger deal than it is. At this point it seems to be all about the vaccine, not the virus. I’m also done with these clowns wearing mask in front of the camera, yet none of them wear one when they think the cameras are off. You can’t help but think we are all being played.

We have friends in Australia and its flat out criminal how those people are being treated.