What's wrong with more grizzlies in Idaho?

[Jason Snyder]

I was around when it happened, so ALL the info I had was first hand from the individuals involved (including the court verdict). So my info may be very biased.

I could only find this one media reference to the incident online, so I may need to educate myself on searching incident reports and court documents.

Shed Antler Collector with .40 Against Sow Grizzly (FOIA)

Another real life defense of self, with a pistol, from a grizzly bear attack gleaned from the Freedom of Information Act request by AmmoLand, in Wyoming, 2016.

www.ammoland.com

Per this, they were never charged.

On April 7, 2017, the US Fish & Wildlife Service Special Agent received a letter of Declination for Prosecution from the Assistant United States Attorney for the District of Wyoming.

I’m confused.

 

[Chrisamx]

From earth dot org, a rewilding NGO:

"The presence of top carnivores in an ecosystem not only holds ecological value but serves an economic and social purpose to humans. Rewilding, or more specifically trophic rewilding, is shedding light on the importance of predators and providing evidence of their benefits. The results will also help to advocate for the protection of existing trophic chains that are regulated by their top predator."

The last sentence, "...advocate for the protection of existing trophic chains that are regulated by their top predator." Should make all take notice. They are talking about protecting predator's food supplies, which means banning hunting by humans.

 

[Hoosker Doo]

Per this, they were never charged.



I’m confused.

Good job doing some homework.

I was told a year after the fact that they had not heard a verdict from their hearing. I assumed court hearing, but it appears maybe it was hearing with USFWS as part of the investigation that never produced enough evidence to prosecute.

Thanks for the fact check.

 

[Jason Snyder]

Good job doing some homework.

I was told a year after the fact that they had not heard a verdict from their hearing. I assumed court hearing, but it appears maybe it was hearing with USFWS as part of the investigation that never produced enough evidence to prosecute.

Thanks for the fact check.

So is it safe to assume /summarize the federal agents took statements, forwarded the case file to the US AG and they declined to prosecute?

 

[stoopiddumbman]

whats wrong? well my wife hasn't touched me in 2 years since i bought fish net long johns, so now i can't risk a grizzly ripping them, have to stay home and argue on rokslide. thats what is wrong, rot.

 

[Hoosker Doo]

So is it safe to assume /summarize the federal agents took statements, forwarded the case file to the US AG and they declined to prosecute?

I would assume that's correct.

 

[Cheddar]

I know from a previous thread that I've got a (very) minority opinion on this topic, but why are so many against grizzly bears expanding into some of the areas in Idaho that they used to inhabit, and establishing a stable population so we can have a season on them? I think we're seeing a rather disproportional number of attacks here in Idaho because this apex predator has lost their fear of us. We've got plenty of other predators more than capable of handing us our lunch, but they don't. In over fifty years living and hunting here, I cannot recall a single lion attack (other than a pet that was let loose to get pregnant near Idaho City - a story in itself). Yet California, where as I understand, lions are protected, attacks are more and more frequent. Because we run lions and black bear with dogs and have a long season on them, they have developed a legacy fear and respect for us. In other states, not so much. More grizzlies in our state would keep the wilderness wild and add to the adventure of an outdoor experience. We need more risk opportunities in our lives in general - we're becoming soft as a society. Just my two cents on this topic.

the problem is cost/risk vs reward. what is the reward? bears get to live here and we feel warm and fuzzy about it? Vs millions of dollars, legal battles, public safety, private property risk, risk to local herds/harvest rates, flooding of environmentalist agencies entering the state, political tension, etc etc. The only way i would support it is if it would guarantee less people would come to Idaho.