What caused the Rokslide shift to smallest caliber and cartridges?

[JGRaider]

The question was margin of error the answer is more energy gives greater margin of error. A shot 4” too high or low with a larger faster bullet will kill faster than a smaller slower bullet. If you’re so convinced you are right please use a very small marginal cartridge for dangerous game as a demonstration.

Younger meaning hunters from the outdoor channel & hunting forum generation. The power of advertising is remarkable. The newest & latest must be best. In many cases it is much better modern optics, metallurgy & manufacturing as well as clothing & packs make a huge difference.

The 6.5 Creedmoor isn’t a revolutionary change vs the old 270 for hunting.

But by all means demonstrate your confidence- a 6mm shoul be perfect for a Grizzly ar cape Buffalo hunt.

BS.

 

[Shraggs]

That’s your answer??? Stated very confidently with authority…

There are folks on this forum with your experience in each year of their hunting career. With dozens of calibers and hundreds of bullet typed from up close to over a thousand yards.

Your opinion might be enlightened if you stopped with the ultimate knowledge of fuddism and read…….

 

[JGRaider]

So you have X ray vision?

Im younger than the 60 year olds and I want light rifles.

Never had lead poisoning either........I'm 63 yrs old. Much ado about nothing.

 

[Jason Snyder]

Never had lead poisoning either........I'm 63 yrs old. Much ado about nothing.

That’s the nice thing about America, we can all have different risk assessments.

 

[JGRaider]

You're just as likely to get hit by a meteor as you are getting lead poisoning from an animal you harvested.

 

[Jason Snyder]

You're just as likely to get hit by a meteor as you are getting lead poisoning from an animal you harvested.

Like I said, we’re all entitled to our own risk assessments. Eating lead on a regular basis is not within my accepted risk tolerance.

Carry on.

 

[gabenzeke]

It's funny how these people start with the margin of error or no replacement for displacement arguments and then make the exact same points every time. Seriously. ALL of this has been discussed ad nauseum. Much of it word for word. It'd be kind of funny if it weren't so frequent.

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[fwafwow]

The question was margin of error the answer is more energy gives greater margin of error. A shot 4” too high or low with a larger faster bullet will kill faster than a smaller slower bullet. If you’re so convinced you are right please use a very small marginal cartridge for dangerous game as a demonstration.

I didn’t say I was right about anything. You referred to math, so I asked how your equation supports your position. I still don’t get it. Just by saying more energy is a greater margin of error doesn’t make it so, and it’s not math.

Younger meaning hunters from the outdoor channel & hunting forum generation. The power of advertising is remarkable. The newest & latest must be best. In many cases it is much better modern optics, metallurgy & manufacturing as well as clothing & packs make a huge difference.

Are you hunting with these whipper snappers? Or just seeing young people who are on YT or other social media and assuming their audiences buy in to all of it?

The 6.5 Creedmoor isn’t a revolutionary change vs the old 270 for hunting.

But by all means demonstrate your confidence- a 6mm shoul be perfect for a Grizzly ar cape Buffalo hunt.

Now you are projecting. You are confident but seem somewhat defensive when your position/hypothesis is questioned.

 

[specneeds]

That’s your answer??? Stated very confidently with authority…

There are folks on this forum with your experience in each year of their hunting career. With dozens of calibers and hundreds of bullet typed from up close to over a thousand yards.

Your opinion might be enlightened if you stopped with the ultimate knowledge of fuddism and read…….

There are folks on here who only kill deer in front of the automatic corn feeder or feed plot at 75 yards and guys who hike 15 miles days on end in rugged terrain. What is your point? You won’t convince me to use a 223 on deer even if it were legal in my state. I can shoot the 300 as well as a 243 for the number of shots on an elk hunt so I’ll stick with it for elk. The 243 is a fine deer cartridge I’ve got a couple of them, 25-06 will likely be next years deer rifle but won’t be even the back up on my elk hunt.

 

[Shraggs]

You don’t know Jack crap is the point. Judgement on your part to belittle how or where people kill isn’t not a valid argument for your beliefs.

 

[Sled]

It's funny how these people start with the margin of error or no replacement for displacement arguments and then make the exact same points every time. Seriously. ALL of this has been discussed ad nauseum. Much of it word for word. It'd be kind of funny if it weren't so frequent.

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New site rules...don't feed the trolls. Maybe we can all ignore the cycle before it begins.

 

[Clark33]

 

[Shraggs]

New site rules...don't feed the trolls. Maybe we can all ignore the cycle before it begins.

Probably right.

It’s disappointing we get such disrespectful new members who aren’t capable of following a good thread topic. And participating accordingly.

If they disagree it should be a reason to start thread of their own instead we get blind narcissism

 

[specneeds]

I didn’t say I was right about anything. You referred to math, so I asked how your equation supports your position. I still don’t get it. Just by saying more energy is a greater margin of error doesn’t make it so, and it’s not math.

Are you hunting with these whipper snappers? Or just seeing young people who are on YT or other social media and assuming their audiences buy in to all of it?

Now you are projecting. You are confident but seem somewhat defensive when your position/hypothesis is questioned.

I am hunting elk with younger hunters trying to grow the sport & get younger hunters started on elk. The guys as old as me who still enjoy hiking the mountains are harder to find & can’t carry as much meat on as many trips.

In my limited experience They start with some assumptions they got from hunting shows. One 26 year old got so lean 14 hours into the days hunt he hit the wall & couldn’t haul out his own elk. Thought I was FOS about having a little fat reserve. We had 4 miles to the truck I carried his hindquarter he carried my rifle. But he killed his cow at 400 yards after starting with very poor shooting skills just a couple years before. Hard working sharp young man.

 

[specneeds]

You don’t know Jack crap is the point. Judgement on your part to belittle how or where people kill isn’t not a valid argument for your beliefs.

So you’re one of those corn feeder guys- it’s OK I’ve shot pigs in the head before butchering so I know that extreme challenge. Had a couple of buddies recently move to Texas & Tennessee they both have nice places for deer and have switched to 223’s off the porch. They harvest lots of deer these days - both open invitations but warned me it isn’t like real hunting. I’ll admit feeders, high fences, dozens of trail cams don’t float my boat - but you do you.

 

[Shraggs]

Interesting accusations.

 

[CC55]

Moving back toward "what caused the shift to smallest caliber"...I think this test made it obvious to me that I don't shoot/spot big calibers as well as small ones, and no one I hunt with does either. I would love if I could shoot a big 30 or 338 as well as my smaller stuff, but under pressure/time and multiple shots I don't do as well.

Equipment versus practice posts and Rifle practice/shooting

This isn’t in response to anyone I particular, but there is an up tick in the amount of “I want a XXXX distance hunting rifle” traffic the last few months. I am getting a lot of questions relating to this, which I do not mind helping, but thought a public post might help answer some questions...

rokslide.com

 

[realunlucky]

So you’re one of those corn feeder guys- it’s OK I’ve shot pigs in the head before butchering so I know that extreme challenge. Had a couple of buddies recently move to Texas & Tennessee they both have nice places for deer and have switched to 223’s off the porch. They harvest lots of deer these days - both open invitations but warned me it isn’t like real hunting. I’ll admit feeders, high fences, dozens of trail cams don’t float my boat - but you do you.

You need to take it down a notch or two

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[Sled]

You need to take it a notch or two

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I'm going to guess down was the direction you wanted those notches. You best spell it out if that handle is accurate.

 

[specneeds]

You're just as likely to get hit by a meteor as you are getting lead poisoning from an animal you harvested.

You’re probably right about acute lead poisoning and eating a game animal or 2 every year. I switched to copper after a NBT bltew up on a bulls ribs sending shrapnel through his lungs. The monos really did penetrate & break bones better. But when I saw the lead dispersed throughout the meat that I feed my family - I’ll never go back to lead.