What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[Dos Perros]

Sure hope you are right.

Way way lower, by at least an order of magnitude, probably closer to two orders of magnitude.

 

[WannabeHunter]

My point is that instilling fluids into the lungs has been done before and for him, or me, to think it might be possible to do so with medication isn't completely unreasonable.

I know what you were trying to illustrate. And it demonstrates the lack of knowledge/practical application that this thread is inundated with.

It's not unreasonable to think that you could kill an adult elephant with a knife.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

Do you even know what autism is? How does this remark even make logical sense?

Maybe ask yourself instead of just trying to throw out insults-- did I make a valid argument where my point can stand by itself?

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Practice what you preach. Quit getting butt hurt over those that don’t share your beliefs. And, learn to take things in context instead of ways that allows you to climb on your soap box.

 

[realunlucky]

Practice what you preach. Quit getting butt hurt over those that don’t share your beliefs. And, learn to take things in context instead of ways that allows you to climb on your soap box.

I'll have to ask for a peer review I don't see it that way at but it's all about perspective they say.

I know I don't wear my beliefs on my sleeve so I have very little doubt you know what they are.

I'm pretty knowledgeable about autism mainly because I have to be so if you want to quiz on that I'm ready.

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[SwampBone]

I will continue to believe that Miller Lite is the best natural vaccine we have going.

 

[SlickStickSlinger]

What I dislike most is literally anyone on TV talking about covid speaks as if it is going away and we will be returning back to normal or even semi normal American life. Hate to say it but the odds of that happening are quite slim. Pray the transportation industry stays afloat. O wait, even if they do, in time what goods are they going to transport? Hmmm, wait wait. How are we going to pay for anything with our inflated government currency? Ah hell, we are screwed...

 

[Trevor73402]

What I dislike most is literally anyone on TV talking about covid speaks as if it is going away and we will be returning back to normal or even semi normal American life. Hate to say it but the odds of that happening are quite slim. Pray the transportation industry stays afloat. O wait, even if they do, in time what goods are they going to transport? Hmmm, wait wait. How are we going to pay for anything with our inflated government currency? Ah hell, we are screwed...

I am so glad you posted this. What I dislike the most are all the people who say what you just did. Telling us that we won’t be returning to normal very soon. As if by saying that you think it’s going to prolong this event. The only thing keeping “us” from returning to normal at this point is people like you saying we can’t/won’t be able to. As if some way of life we had is now over and history. Wake up bud.....if you haven’t noticed there are states already returning to normal. A large majority if the American people are “over this”. Fed up with it. No longer in fear of it. No matter how hard the media continues to try, the fear factor surrounding all this is pretty much gone. Especially for those who posses any level of common sense. I’m not saying the virus is gone. I’m not saying people won’t keep getting sick and continue to die. What I am saying is life must go on........now. Not 3 months from now. Not next year.

Also, those same people that share your beliefs keep saying that this will just spark another outbreak and we will just have to be “locked down” again. Yeah.....good luck pulling that off again!! The majority of the population is going to send up a big middle finger the next time a “shelter in place” order is issued. When the fear factor is gone, the motivation to conform is gone as well. I bet dollars to donuts that there won’t be any future shelter in place orders issued because nobody will give a shit and the last thing a governor wants to see is his entire constituency openly defy and ignore him knowing he can’t do a damn thing about it.

 

[Dustin the wind]

I am so glad you posted this. What I dislike the most are all the people who say what you just did. Telling us that we won’t be returning to normal very soon. As if by saying that you think it’s going to prolong this event. The only thing keeping “us” from returning to normal at this point is people like you saying we can’t/won’t be able to. As if some way of life we had is now over and history. Wake up bud.....if you haven’t noticed there are states already returning to normal. A large majority if the American people are “over this”. Fed up with it. No longer in fear of it. No matter how hard the media continues to try, the fear factor surrounding all this is pretty much gone. Especially for those who posses any level of common sense. I’m not saying the virus is gone. I’m not saying people won’t keep getting sick and continue to die. What I am saying is life must go on........now. Not 3 months from now. Not next year.

Also, those same people that share your beliefs keep saying that this will just spark another outbreak and we will just have to be “locked down” again. Yeah.....good luck pulling that off again!! The majority of the population is going to send up a big middle finger the next time a “shelter in place” order is issued. When the fear factor is gone, the motivation to conform is gone as well. I bet dollars to donuts that there won’t be any future shelter in place orders issued because nobody will give a shit and the last thing a governor wants to see is his entire constituency openly defy and ignore him knowing he can’t do a damn thing about it.

EXACTLY!

 

[*zap*]

Depends on what you think the definition of 'normal' is. Massive unemployment, people are not going to do the 'normal' things they did before very quickly, 4 trillion $ of debt for the USA in a month....tens of thousands of sole proprietorship businesses will be gone....small family businesses will be gone....food supply will most likely be disrupted more as time goes by, probably for the rest of 2020.......water treatment (drinking water)could be disrupted......economically and in some other ways things will not be 'normal' very soon no matter what
You can pretend that it will all be normal very soon but that will not be what is actually the truth.....

Global economic devastation on an unprecedented scale, countries forced deeper into debt, people afraid to gather in groups is not my view of normal.

 

[chama350]

Depends on what you think the definition of 'normal' is. Massive unemployment, people are not going to do the 'normal' things they did before very quickly, 4 trillion $ of debt for the USA in a month....tens of thousands of sole proprietorship businesses will be gone....small family businesses will be gone....economically things will not be 'normal' very soon no matter what.

You can pretend that it will all be normal very soon but that will not be what is actually the truth.....

Global economic devastation on an unprecedented scale, countries forced deeper into debt, people afraid to gather in groups is not my view of normal.

^^this. IMHO, it's better to just accept this brutally honest truth. The sooner the better....so we can adjust and adapt..... and hopefully be mentally stable enough to help each other out.

 

[Trevor73402]

Depends on what you think the definition of 'normal' is. Massive unemployment, people are not going to do the 'normal' things they did before very quickly, 4 trillion $ of debt for the USA in a month....tens of thousands of sole proprietorship businesses will be gone....small family businesses will be gone....economically things will not be 'normal' very soon no matter what.

You can pretend that it will all be normal very soon but that will not be what is actually the truth.....

Global economic devastation on an unprecedented scale, countries forced deeper into debt, people afraid to gather in groups is not my view of normal.

People were out in full force doing “normal” things today. Hair salons were booked up. Nail shops had people standing in line. Hobby Lobby was packed with a huge sale going on. The roads were full. Traffic everywhere. The lake was packed. Boat ramps full. This is normal in my town. If the casinos were opened back up today, they’d be packed as well here. Yes, some folks that already lived in a state of constant fear will be even more fearful now and remain so. That’s the minority. People being fearful to gather in groups is nothing more than fake news. Hand out free tickets to a major event or open up Vegas and watch how much people aren’t fearful. Again, there will be minorities in every aspect.

Massive unemployment......because the government shut down their jobs!! I’m not dumb, I’m sure some will milk the unemployment gig for all they can, but most people are more than ready to return to work. Everyone keeps yapping about unemployment as if it wasn’t self induced by the government.

Some of you doubt the resilience (or level of “give a shit”) the American people posses. The government and media created this to the level it is. As soon as they both get off it and move on, so will everyone else.

As for the debt.......as if the previous trillions affected us??? Come on now....

I’ve done really good at staying away from this thread lately. I’m ashamed I let myself get sucked back into it again. By staying away from this thread and the media, I’ve lived my life 97% just as I did before all this nonsense blew up. I’ve learned that you are only affected by what you allow yourself to be. Don’t expose yourself to bullshit and you wont have to deal with the smell of it.

 

[*zap*]

Maybe there will be no after effect of the majority of the world economy being shut down for a few months......since it has never happened before no one has experience at predicting what that will induce. Maybe there will be no bad effects from that at all.

Flip a switch and back to normal.....personally, I would not bank on that but if it makes you feel good to believe that is what is going to happen you should go for it. Who knows, maybe your right and the financial experts are all wrong. Maybe oil will be $70 a barrel tomorrow because the demand for it will go up 100 times what it is today...

 

[Trevor73402]

Maybe there will be no after effect of the majority of the world economy being shut down for a few months......since it has never happened before no one has experience at predicting what that will induce. Maybe there will be no bad effects from that at all.

Flip a switch and back to normal.....personally, I would not bank on that but if it makes you feel good to believe that is what is going to happen you should go for it. Who knows, maybe your right and the financial experts are all wrong. Maybe oil will be $70 a barrel tomorrow because the demand for it will go up 100 times what it is today...

How does any of that affect your (meaning you) daily/normal life?? Are you in a financial burned right now? Does something a financial expert says change how you mow your grass, go camping, get a hair cut, or go to dinner in any way? Does oil being so cheap affect you? Hasn’t affected me and I work in the industry. Does China’s financial situation affect how you grill burgers or go fishing? I’m just having a difficulty seeing how you yourself can’t return to a normal life.....unless you just choose not to because you perceive that you can’t.

There are constant “global issues” that go on daily that have zero affect on us aa individuals. The only way something affects us or changes our normalcy is if we allow it to. I’m going to get up in the morning and cook breakfast. Then I’m going to go fishing. Then later in the day I’m going to go workout. Then I’ll most likely grill some steaks tomorrow night. Sunday will be rewind and replay. Life as normal..... Monday morning I’m going to get up and see what my stocks are doing as I drink my coffee and decide what I want to do for the day......virus?? what virus?

Everyone talks about how “bad” it was in 2008/2009. I have to be honest.....I did well in 2008/2009. I made more money that year than I had ever made in any previous year of my life. I bought some nice vehicles. Traveled to various places. Other than what I watched on the news, I never noticed a thing. I guess I’m fortunate and thankful as well, but it’s all in what you make it.

 

[*zap*]

My business is down 80%, directly from the kung flu precautions. I am not going to make that back, ever...and it is not going to go up 80% tomorrow.
Millions of other small businesses are feeling the same thing all over the world......

The global and national economy's will directly effect everyone....even if someone that does not realize it and think's everything is normal now because of what he saw around his town today. Everything is interconnected in one way or another.

Of course I could be completely wrong and everything may be just peachy on Monday everywhere in the world.

I have noticed that many people I have spoken to recently have this attitude that if we all just think good things everything will be good....people tell me they hope for the best and when I say that hope is not a very good plan they just do not know what to say.

The economy, consumer confidence, unemployment all effect me personally....people use my business or they do not based on those things....the costs of things I purchase are determined by those things. If I cannot afford to buy a burger or even find burger to buy it definitely effects how I grill a burger.

 

[Trevor73402]

My business is down 80%, directly from the kung flu precautions. I am not going to make that back, ever...and it is not going to go up 80% tomorrow.
Millions of other small businesses are feeling the same thing all over the world......

The global and national economy's will directly effect everyone....even if someone that does not realize it and think's everything is normal now because of what he saw around his town today. Everything is interconnected in one way or another.

Of course I could be completely wrong and everything may be just peachy on Monday everywhere in the world.

I have noticed that many people I have spoken to recently have this attitude that if we all just think good things everything will be good....people tell me they hope for the best and when I say that hope is not a very good plan they just do not know what to say.

Man, I never said it was all just going to be a dream on Monday. My whole drive in all of this is that we will (soon) return to normal, regardless of what some say. My observations on today were just that, observations. It does however reinforce my belief that people want to and will return to life as normal if they are given the opportunity to. I hate to hear about your business, truly. I own a small business myself, but thankfully I had enough money saved in that area that ive been just fine. Now that this is all blowing over, I am starting to get calls again and Ive had several jobs get scheduled just in the last few days. Note: this is a side business, not my main employment. However this side business involves a few hundred thousand dollars worth of equipment that I do owe money on. I don't think we will just snap our fingers and it'll all be over, but I do think 30-60 days from now this won't even be a topic of conversation anymore. Not because the virus is gone, but just because nobody gives a shit anymore.

 

[*zap*]

40-60 days ago no one thought this was going to happen.....see how that works?

The potential economic, social and political troubles that can come from this do not allow me to think that at any time in 2020 will everyone not give a shit about what happened. That's just not going to be the case.....too much effort was put into making this be a major problem for it to just be allowed to go away quickly. Too much potential for this to be used for agendas for that to happen also. No way this will all be forgotten in 60 days.......maybe 600 days....

 

[thinhorn_AK]

People were out in full force doing “normal” things today. Hair salons were booked up. Nail shops had people standing in line. Hobby Lobby was packed with a huge sale going on. The roads were full. Traffic everywhere. The lake was packed. Boat ramps full. This is normal in my town. If the casinos were opened back up today, they’d be packed as well here. Yes, some folks that already lived in a state of constant fear will be even more fearful now and remain so. That’s the minority. People being fearful to gather in groups is nothing more than fake news. Hand out free tickets to a major event or open up Vegas and watch how much people aren’t fearful. Again, there will be minorities in every aspect.

Massive unemployment......because the government shut down their jobs!! I’m not dumb, I’m sure some will milk the unemployment gig for all they can, but most people are more than ready to return to work. Everyone keeps yapping about unemployment as if it wasn’t self induced by the government.

Some of you doubt the resilience (or level of “give a shit”) the American people posses. The government and media created this to the level it is. As soon as they both get off it and move on, so will everyone else.

As for the debt.......as if the previous trillions affected us??? Come on now....

I’ve done really good at staying away from this thread lately. I’m ashamed I let myself get sucked back into it again. By staying away from this thread and the media, I’ve lived my life 97% just as I did before all this nonsense blew up. I’ve learned that you are only affected by what you allow yourself to be. Don’t expose yourself to bullshit and you wont have to deal with the smell of it.

this event will prove that for countries, debt just dosent matter.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

I'll have to ask for a peer review I don't see it that way at but it's all about perspective they say.

I know I don't wear my beliefs on my sleeve so I have very little doubt you know what they are.

I'm pretty knowledgeable about autism mainly because I have to be so if you want to quiz on that I'm ready.

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My point has nothing to do with autism. Nothing. That’s just the variable you keyed on. I also suspected it was due to personal experience or knowledge.

The one thing about people’s habits and communications is it’s very telling about their beliefs. You are no different.

 

[Jauwater]

Speaking on normalcy, COVID has not been the problem. Our government and, media has been the problem. Humans have survived far worse viruses/diseases and, society continued to flourish. Not only did life eventually go back to normal, life got better. Poor reporting and, overall the government response to this has created the lack or change of normalcy. Until the day this earth burns up humans are gonna find a way back to normal and, continue to raise the bar for what normal is. Now saying all that, do I believe there is a good chance we are facing a recession in the next 4-6 months? Sure, the table is set up for that for sure. But isnt recession a normal cycle in our economy since the start? We have faced it and, best it more then once. But, do I believe that COVID is gonna change the way we do things through out our day to day? For the most part I'd say no. I mean sure, another vaccine, but assuming itll be the individuals choice to use it, it wont create much change for us day to day. That's just my opinion based off what humans have done for themselves through history. Normalcy is coming and, maybe in more ways then one. I will continue to live my life without fear. I will continue to adapt to create the comfort we seek in "normalcy" regardless the situation.

We aren't really quarantining, there is no vaccine, it will be herd immunization that defeats this, natures way. It's not going away as long as there are individuals to infect. This is all of course assuming that it is a natural virus that wasnt created in a lab that has lasting abilities that we are unaware of yet. If it is a natural virus, it is my opinion that opening up the economy is the fastest way to get this behind us.

I feel like all of our thoughts on the Kung Flu have been stressed to the max. Maybe start a Recession thread, Doomday thread, Got No Cares Opie Taylor Thread, then I feel like we'd all have a place.

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[Mosster47]

40-60 days ago no one thought this was going to happen.....see how that works?

The potential economic, social and political troubles that can come from this do not allow me to think that at any time in 2020 will everyone not give a shit about what happened. That's just not going to be the case.....too much effort was put into making this be a major problem for it to just be allowed to go away quickly. Too much potential for this to be used for agendas for that to happen also. No way this will all be forgotten in 60 days.......maybe 600 days....

There will be some small business that really stuggles or goes under from this for sure.

The huge difference between now and 2009 is pretty much everyone has gotten bailed out or has the opportunity to be. If you lost your job depending on the state people are flush all the way up to a $60-$80k salary.

If you were laid off the PPP kept your salary the same through this. Of course not every business owner has gotten the PPP, but it's about to be replenished and I'm hoping those that didn't get it the first time are at the front of the line for this new bill that adds to it.

You've also got the $1,200/500 stimulus that most people got. For those that make over $250k the odds are they have enough socked away to survive six weeks without any overly serious financial situations arising.

The masses should have the funds when thing ends to go back to their normal lives immediately. If they go back to their normal lives is the real question. Sports leagues, non-internet retail, and entertainment (movie theaters, concerts, etc.) will probably take the longest to recover.