What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[WV Mountaineer]

You seem to have already put us down the drain and we’re no Where close to that yet, there’s not a bank or creditor that will survive if they close the door on everyone, that’s reality, if You go back a couple days you‘ll read where my banker was at my house two days ago (friends for years) discussing the issue, I keep repeating some Of whet he said, these banks will have to work with people, it Will be a bigger mess for them but they will have to work it out, by the way this is the United States and I don’t know about where your from but we don’t give up that Easy around here and if your credit and payments have been made as you describe then I don’t see how all banks would turn you away as for zap if all those people that were buying his service before this I can’t imagine none of them not buying after we get back going again, as for him not being in debt and not wanting to go in debt I don’t blame him one bit but somewhere along the way he’s prolly gonna have to make a choice either use his own money or use theirs if he’s gonna keep rolling,

you seem to think it’s all come to an end because Were trying to protect the most vulnerable, I think in reality we are really just slowing down briefly we will fire back up better than we were, there are gonna be new jobs here after this and our creditors know this, it’s not all doom and gloom unless you have neglected paying your payments on time or already in foreclosure, and yes banks do loan money on unsecured loans if you have been with that bank for sometime, my bank wears me out wanting me to borrow money on unsecured only because I’m debt free and they know I don’t want to put a lean on nothing. you are living in the greatest nation on earth we Will work it out, we always do. That is reality.

You seem to have already put us down the drain and we’re no Where close to that yet, there’s not a bank or creditor that will survive if they close the door on everyone, that’s reality, if You go back a couple days you‘ll read where my banker was at my house two days ago (friends for years) discussing the issue, I keep repeating some Of whet he said, these banks will have to work with people, it Will be a bigger mess for them but they will have to work it out, by the way this is the United States and I don’t know about where your from but we don’t give up that Easy around here and if your credit and payments have been made as you describe then I don’t see how all banks would turn you away as for zap if all those people that were buying his service before this I can’t imagine none of them not buying after we get back going again, as for him not being in debt and not wanting to go in debt I don’t blame him one bit but somewhere along the way he’s prolly gonna have to make a choice either use his own money or use theirs if he’s gonna keep rolling,

you seem to think it’s all come to an end because Were trying to protect the most vulnerable, I think in reality we are really just slowing down briefly we will fire back up better than we were, there are gonna be new jobs here after this and our creditors know this, it’s not all doom and gloom unless you have neglected paying your payments on time or already in foreclosure, and yes banks do loan money on unsecured loans if you have been with that bank for sometime, my bank wears me out wanting me to borrow money on unsecured only because I’m debt free and they know I don’t want to put a lean on nothing. you are living in the greatest nation on earth we Will work it out, we always do. That is reality.

Only ~12,500 Americans died from H1N1, just more than half of an average flu season. Not that interesting a comparison really.

COVID-19 has the potential to be many times worse than that whole. Hopefully that potential is not realized, but time will tell.

I’m as American as anybody and don’t take kindly to people saying otherwise. My whole response is based on the reality that we are going to survive. That this isn’t as it’s being made country wide, and we had better salvage what we can instead of loose out to the think tank idea dooms day is upon us.

As far as banks needing people, they sure do. What they won’t do if too much damage is done to the economy, is instill consumer confidence. People don’t need flower beds, tile showers, additions to their homes, lawn care, etc..... They don’t need 90% of small business. It’s luxury purchases. So, if people aren’t in a position to buy luxury services, don’t have the excess to buy, then buying isn’t something they are going to do for luxury.

Every single day of this counts. The quicker the better, the quicker the return to some form of normal. That is life.


I’m glad you have security. I’m glad you have bankers for friends. I hope whatever your livelihood is, feels very little recourse. However suggesting all sectors of small business us dealing with the same hand us simply wrong. We can still salvage enough luxury based businesses to mitigate the negatives here. But, we can’t lock down the whole country and expect anything good on the backside.


I’m not going to question your patriotism. I have more class then that. And, I suspect we all want what’s best for America. But, all sorts of things are surfacing outside the health epidemic this should cause people to realize we need to approach this with a fluid response. You can choose to ignore that or realize we don’t have a brush big enough to paint this situation one color.

 

[BuzzH]

Why wasn't it restocked in 2010!!??? And now current POTUS gets blamed for the shortage???

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You cant restock masks and other PPE in 3.5 years?

 

[NDGuy]

You cant restock masks and other PPE in 3.5 years?

I also am frustrated seeing how many hospitals around the US are out of PPE already. We had 2 months to prepare better and seems like most took it as a joke. Going forward I hope the world governments prepare better for these situations.

 

[KurtR]

I also am frustrated seeing how many hospitals around the US are out of PPE already. We had 2 months to prepare better and seems like most took it as a joke. Going forward I hope the world governments prepare better for these situations.

The boy who cried wolf.....Heard the same thing about world is doomed over and over guess maybe the wolf came to eat this time. Its easy to monday morning qb this deal sitting on the sidelines. I was wrong when this all popped off i thought just another world is ending type deal.

 

[jorgensen.travis]

I hope this guy is not right. If he is, he’s going to go down as an American hero. He’s doing such a good job of pleading his point, that he may back Trump into a corner and force him to give up the federal reserve of ventilators, which could mean the rest of the country is ******.


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[Kevin Dill]

Defense is about more than conventional or cyber attacks. We were ready for a number of different war scenarios in which we carry the fight to a known enemy. We weren't at all prepared for a war with an unseen biologic which invaded us. Somebody has to be accountable for maintaining our defense readiness at high levels. Who has the ultimate responsibility for that?

"We're doing a tremendous job. It's a beautiful thing".

 

[Scrappy]

Honestly, what are you talking about? There are so many political posts on here it is so strange and not applicable. When people treat the broken two party system, like they would rooting for a sports team, no one wins.

What’s in Democrats’ coronavirus bill? Arts funding, union help and more

What’s in Democrats’ coronavirus bill? Arts funding, union help and more

The bill includes a number of provisions with questionable relevance to the pandemic which has killed more than 17,000 worldwide and sickened more than 390,000.

www.foxnews.com

This bullcrap

 

[Trial153]

I have been an out spoken critic of Cuomo from since he been governor of NY.
Since this pandemic has effected the state he has shown extraordinary leadership. He has be steadfast in his message, he has shown resolve while admiting this situation is very fluid, and he has been unapologetic in his how proactive he has been. In all honesty is been a dircet contrast to the federal response.

 

[Dos Perros]

Defense is about more than conventional or cyber attacks. We were ready for a number of different war scenarios in which we carry the fight to a known enemy. We weren't at all prepared for a war with an unseen biologic which invaded us. Somebody has to be accountable for maintaining our defense readiness at high levels. Who has the ultimate responsibility for that?

"We're doing a tremendous job. It's a beautiful thing".

The United States was ranked the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019 by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (JHCHS).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/10/24/none-these-countries-us-included-is-fully-prepared-pandemic-report-says/

 

[Trial153]

What’s in Democrats’ coronavirus bill? Arts funding, union help and more

What’s in Democrats’ coronavirus bill? Arts funding, union help and more

The bill includes a number of provisions with questionable relevance to the pandemic which has killed more than 17,000 worldwide and sickened more than 390,000.

www.foxnews.com

This bullcrap

Fox....
You might as well link CNN. Both "news" agency's are nothing more then hacks for their respective parties and the lobbyist that own them.

Same shit different smell. There is pork enough for both sides to fatten their bank accounts.

 

[NDGuy]

The United States was ranked the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019 by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (JHCHS).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/10/24/none-these-countries-us-included-is-fully-prepared-pandemic-report-says/

Clearly that was not the case lol

 

[NDGuy]

Man what a kick in the nuts this thing is. My wife closed her business temporarily (hopefully) we had to dig into our savings to stay afloat next month which means no out of state deer hunt for me once again

Gotta do the right thing though.

 

[roosiebull]

Man what a kick in the nuts this thing is. My wife closed her business temporarily (hopefully) we had to dig into our savings to stay afloat next month which means no out of state deer hunt for me once again

Gotta do the right thing though.

there is gonna be a lot of that.... and worse. be thankful you guys have a savings.

in reality, missing a hunt you looked forward to is a small price relatively. I have a feeling I won't be able to take Sept off this year, i'll be playing catch up.... we'll see.

least of my concerns right now.

the ball had just started rolling good for me after a long winter.... this is a big step back.... the good portion of businesses here on the coast are non essential, mine is, and my wife can do a little business from home, but just a fraction.

i'm glad my wife is good with money, if I was on my own I would be screwed. i'm good at making and spending, she's good at everything in between.

 

[Kevin Dill]

The United States was ranked the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019 by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (JHCHS).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/10/24/none-these-countries-us-included-is-fully-prepared-pandemic-report-says/

That's pretty much like us claiming we had more sandbags than anyone else while the water is now neck-deep for everyone. We might have been ranked number one, but we CLEARLY were not adequately prepared for this as a nation. Some of the PPE and other readiness things were foreseeable as potential shortcomings. I'll wager we'll NEVER AGAIN see this country without a huge reserve supply of equipment and disposables necessary to deal with such as disaster....a disaster bad enough to threaten the economic stability of a nation.

Anyway....mine is not to be argumentative. I just want us to be prepared in all possible respects. We don't need to allow ourselves to get Pearl Harbored through inadequate readiness.

 

[MtnOyster]

I hope this guy is not right. If he is, he’s going to go down as an American hero. He’s doing such a good job of pleading his point, that he may back Trump into a corner and force him to give up the federal reserve of ventilators, which could mean the rest of the country is ******.


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I think the rest of the country will be Trumps argument, as bad as I hate to say it I do think the guy (NY GOV) is showing some hellacious leadership, AAAND........their population is something to think about but.....our government will not sacrifice 49 other states that could potentially end up like NY.

I‘m not too sure how much longer we’re gonna be worrying about the curve......
My reason= CHLOROQUINE and Z PACKS

The results of using the two together have been bulletproof so far against covid-19 and when Trumps advisors tell him they think they have enough to treat most Americans I think then is when you’ll see him say open businesses back up.

Until now IMO I think that’s what has been our whole panic......new disease and not knowing what to fight it with, but now we at least have a start in a good direction to battle this virus with this medicine....we just have to get a bunch of it to our doctors now.

 

[MtnOyster]

That's pretty much like us claiming we had more sandbags than anyone else while the water is now neck-deep for everyone. We might have been ranked number one, but we CLEARLY were not adequately prepared for this as a nation. Some of the PPE and other readiness things were foreseeable as potential shortcomings. I'll wager we'll NEVER AGAIN see this country without a huge reserve supply of equipment and disposables necessary to deal with such as disaster....a disaster bad enough to threaten the economic stability of a nation.

Anyway....mine is not to be argumentative. I just want us to be prepared in all possible respects. We don't need to allow ourselves to get Pearl Harbored through inadequate readiness.

I think your spot on with this....I just hope someone didn’t read that 2019 report and decide to put it to the test, it would probably mean war if they did, I’m not too sure this won’t result in some kind of real war down the road anyway.

 

[Dos Perros]

That's pretty much like us claiming we had more sandbags than anyone else while the water is now neck-deep for everyone. We might have been ranked number one, but we CLEARLY were not adequately prepared for this as a nation. Some of the PPE and other readiness things were foreseeable as potential shortcomings. I'll wager we'll NEVER AGAIN see this country without a huge reserve supply of equipment and disposables necessary to deal with such as disaster....a disaster bad enough to threaten the economic stability of a nation.

Anyway....mine is not to be argumentative. I just want us to be prepared in all possible respects. We don't need to allow ourselves to get Pearl Harbored through inadequate readiness.

My point being: none of us has a crystal ball. Sometimes stuff gets weird. I have projects that carry a lot of risks with no mitigation because, "what are the odds of that and that and that happening?"

I'm curious what data you're using to assert we're not doing relatively well? We have a lot of cases and very few deaths compared to China and Italy. Sure could get worse.

 

[307]

My point being: none of us has a crystal ball. Sometimes stuff gets weird. I have projects that carry a lot of risks with no mitigation because, "what are the odds of that and that and that happening?"

I'm curious what data you're using to assert we're not doing relatively well? We have a lot of cases and very few deaths compared to China and Italy. Sure could get worse.

I agree with you.

Arm chair quaterbacks drive me nuts. Can't be prepared for "everything".

Realistically, if anybody really saw this coming, a very small investment, timed properly, would produce $$$$$$$ in profits.

 

[Kevin Dill]

My point being: none of us has a crystal ball. Sometimes stuff gets weird. I have projects that carry a lot of risks with no mitigation because, "what are the odds of that and that and that happening?"

I'm curious what data you're using to assert we're not doing relatively well? We have a lot of cases and very few deaths compared to China and Italy. Sure could get worse.

I agree with the basics of your point. Conversely our country does have historic precedent of infectious events wreaking havoc on our nation's health. This was a generally foreseeable (if eventual) occurrence....and that's why we do have a lot of attention paid to mitigation....many dollars spent on it.

I suppose I could quote data but every piece of it can be interpreted according to bias....mine, yours....anyone's. I personally don't think the data anyone has is beyond 60% reliable, simply because of the disparity in test availability, illness reporting, people not seeking treatment, countries having different reporting criteria, differences in medical therapies and success rates among nations....and so on to the point of absurdity.

If I narrow the focus down to the US...and simply whether or not we are doing well and were adequately prepared, I think the situation we find ourselves in currently answers the readiness question. Randomly poll 10,000 health workers and get their opinions. Do the same with small business owners. Now do it with 10,000 stockholders. If you take a macro look at life in the US today, how many Americans would say we were adequately prepared as a nation? We may have been prepared for the final exam better than anyone (other nation) else, but we still haven't earned more than a D+ for a score. That's just an estimate and not real data though.

 

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