Whaddaya think of the new '17 Dodge PW?

[Where's Bruce?]

Looking to upgrade my truck. I find the specs and comparison to the Rubicon a compelling argument for the PW. No leaf springs, 30" of water clearance, 410 gears, front & rear lockers, electronic locking differentials, and other unique design features to make it the softest riding truck in it's class without sacrificing hardcore offroad performance. These features are shown beginning at the 2:15 mark on the video below. I am slowly talking myself into one of these.

[video=youtube;IqNAKMD2ufM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqNAKMD2ufM[/video]

 

[mtnwrunner]

Easy..........monthly..........payments..........

Randy

 

[Muledeerfanatic]

My buddy has the '16. It's a sweet truck. Gas guzzler for sure

 

[Blinginpse]

Buddy had a 15 power wagon. He traded and just got the 4dr diesel with a cannonball bed Mpg sucked with power wagon and it's about 10.5 with the cummins


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[Where's Bruce?]

My buddy has the '16. It's a sweet truck. Gas guzzler for sure

WHICH MODEL? The brochure says 25mpg hwy.

 

[Yellowknife]

WHICH MODEL? The brochure says 25mpg hwy.

We just bought a '16 PW for a work truck in the stripped down ST package. Certainly a capable utility rig. Yeah, any 2500 Hemi is going to be a fuel hog, and 4:10 w/ big tires aren't going to help. My "standard" 2500 Hemi averages about 12.5 in mixed summer driving. Worse.. sometimes much worse, in the winter.

Not sure where you are getting that 25 mpg number... but it certainly isn't in reference to a 2500 Power Wagon!

 

[missjordan]

We had a 2014 in a 2500 and it did horrible pulling our 30 ft camper. So we upgraded to a Duramax and haven't looked back since. It does ride smooth though but is just a fuel hog when towing

 

[tipsntails7]

That's a pretty bad ass looking rig, I like how the winch is done. The Ecodiesel got 29 mpg in a 4X2 V6, not a chance this thing gets 25.

But I also think there is a lot of useless additions. Front locker is overkill, and I wouldn't want to take a 2500 anywhere where I would need to use it. That's a pretty big ass vehicle to be needing specs like that. Unless you plan on rock crawling that thing front lockers are unneeded and they can get you in a heap of trouble if your not paying attention to what your doing.
I've got a rear locker on my Titan and it's been used exactly 3 times, and it's gone places it doesn't belong.

That's another issue, with my older Xterra it had capabilities(front and rear lockers, lifted, winch, other goodies) that surpassed my driving skill, and I put myself in situations that I really shouldn't have.

If you want it because it's cool then go for it. But don't think that you need any of that stuff, especially in a truck that size. I also would be interested in what they will cover under warranty on a truck like that as well. Front lockers have a tendency to start breaking shit all around it.


It's a nice looking rig though. No doubt about that.

 

[MallardSX2]

What is the sticker price on something like that?

 

[realunlucky]

What is the sticker price on something like that?

I test drove one that was just under 65 a couple weeks ago. Just couldn't bring myself to trade in the rubicon

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[Yellowknife]

.... Front locker is overkill, and I wouldn't want to take a 2500 anywhere where I would need to use it. That's a pretty big ass vehicle to be needing specs like that. Unless you plan on rock crawling that thing front lockers are unneeded and they can get you in a heap of trouble if your not paying attention to what your doing.

It's a fair point that the mechanically capabilities of this rig are overkill for the majority people. If you are in deep enough to need front and rear lockers + winch on any kind of regular basis with a 3/4 ton, then you need to expect to be doing body damage and/or occasionally breaking stuff. If its just for the occasional "whoops, that mud was deeper than I thought" every once in a while, then maybe.

As my work truck can attest... a regular 2500 with a limited slip and good tires can go an amazing number of places if one is willing to risk the paint.

My family has a long history with Power Wagons.

Mid 50's military surplus. The "scoreboard" in the cab of this one has something like 50 moose, caribou and bear on it. Factory winch, but open diff's. Just a hair over 100 hp as I recall. The tires and gearing make up for what it lacks in horsepower.



This is another military one from the early 60's my brother and I used as shop class engine rebuild project in high school. Had a lot of fun tooling around the country in it.



A civilian one owned by my great uncle. Not much original left on this one, but it's all Power Wagon parts. Mostly from the 60's I believe.

 

[HuntHarder]

I have the 6.4l Hemi in my '14 2500 and my overall gas mileage is 14.4 mpg. On longer highway trips, I usally get 16-17 mpg with the MDS going on. The MDS is a PITA for city driving, but on longer trips it is pretty nice to have.

 

[IChaseCoues]

Man I wish the Powerwagon was made with a Cummins. That would be an awesome truck. They have a lot of off road parts and I agree with the above statement that if you use the lockers, winch and sway bar disconnect regularly you have to accept a little body damage! I also agree there is no way it would get 25 MPG, maybe more like half that. We have a few megacab cummins trucks and the best of them gets 21 MPG and the worst is about 19 (highway). My Megacab will go lots of places with a rear limited slip and 4.10 gears and 295 tires while getting 20MPG on the highway. It does well enough that quite a few times passengers have wanted to get out and walk. Those Powerwagons are nice but my favorite right now would be a cummins Megacab with a little taller mud tires and a limited slip if you require a 2500 or do the same to a 1500 diesel if a half ton will work. Recently we test drove a Rebel for a day and kinda liked it but would prefer a diesel for the mileage but was told they don't make those even though I heard differently from another dealer.

 

[tipsntails7]

Man I wish the Powerwagon was made with a Cummins. That would be an awesome truck. They have a lot of off road parts and I agree with the above statement that if you use the lockers, winch and sway bar disconnect regularly you have to accept a little body damage! I also agree there is no way it would get 25 MPG, maybe more like half that. We have a few megacab cummins trucks and the best of them gets 21 MPG and the worst is about 19 (highway). My Megacab will go lots of places with a rear limited slip and 4.10 gears and 295 tires while getting 20MPG on the highway. It does well enough that quite a few times passengers have wanted to get out and walk. Those Powerwagons are nice but my favorite right now would be a cummins Megacab with a little taller mud tires and a limited slip if you require a 2500 or do the same to a 1500 diesel if a half ton will work. Recently we test drove a Rebel for a day and kinda liked it but would prefer a diesel for the mileage but was told they don't make those even though I heard differently from another dealer.

You can put the Ecodiesel in the rebel.

But your looking at 45k minimum, thats a lot of cash for a V6 half ton.


Edit: I stand corrected you cannot put the diesel in the rebel.

 

[Where's Bruce?]

Man I wish the Powerwagon was made with a Cummins. That would be an awesome truck. They have a lot of off road parts and I agree with the above statement that if you use the lockers, winch and sway bar disconnect regularly you have to accept a little body damage! I also agree there is no way it would get 25 MPG, maybe more like half that. We have a few megacab cummins trucks and the best of them gets 21 MPG and the worst is about 19 (highway). My Megacab will go lots of places with a rear limited slip and 4.10 gears and 295 tires while getting 20MPG on the highway. It does well enough that quite a few times passengers have wanted to get out and walk. Those Powerwagons are nice but my favorite right now would be a cummins Megacab with a little taller mud tires and a limited slip if you require a 2500 or do the same to a 1500 diesel if a half ton will work. Recently we test drove a Rebel for a day and kinda liked it but would prefer a diesel for the mileage but was told they don't make those even though I heard differently from another dealer.

The 6.4L Hemi has a proven history and since I won't be rockclimbing I don't see the lockers being a concern either.

 

[ReddingArcher]

I love those power wagons, they are sweet rigs. I was really tempted to get one or any of the 2500s with the 6.4 in it. In the end I decided I wanted better fuel mileage and don't tow enough to warrant the 2500. I got the 1500 with the 5.7 and am really happy with the truck. I can haul all the stuff I need and the couple times I've towed with it its done fine. On the freeway at 75 I'll get around 20 mpg. If you don't need the 3/4 ton I wouldn't spend the money.

 

[kodiakfly]

That's a pretty bad ass looking rig, I like how the winch is done. The Ecodiesel got 29 mpg in a 4X2 V6, not a chance this thing gets 25.

But I also think there is a lot of useless additions. Front locker is overkill, and I wouldn't want to take a 2500 anywhere where I would need to use it. That's a pretty big ass vehicle to be needing specs like that. Unless you plan on rock crawling that thing front lockers are unneeded and they can get you in a heap of trouble if your not paying attention to what your doing.
I've got a rear locker on my Titan and it's been used exactly 3 times, and it's gone places it doesn't belong.

That's another issue, with my older Xterra it had capabilities(front and rear lockers, lifted, winch, other goodies) that surpassed my driving skill, and I put myself in situations that I really shouldn't have.

If you want it because it's cool then go for it. But don't think that you need any of that stuff, especially in a truck that size. I also would be interested in what they will cover under warranty on a truck like that as well. Front lockers have a tendency to start breaking shit all around it.


It's a nice looking rig though. No doubt about that.

This is a really good post. I see trucks like this just like I see the Ford Raptor...a built truck for guys that want cool trucks but don't know how to how to do it/have it done themselves and are very expensive. And that's not a dig on anyone who owns one or wants one as they are cool trucks. I'm just saying, if I want a built truck, I want to choose what kind of winch it has, I want to choose the lockers, I want to choose the tires, I want to choose the engine upgrades, etc. This truck to me is the equivalent of a guy buying a Corvette, but then just drive around town on sunny days.

And then other good points about getting a truck this size into the kind of trouble that needs a winch and front and rear lockers, this isn't the truck for that kind of stuff unless you just want to go mud bogging all the time, in which case, back to my original point of building your own truck for that. Like someone said, a 3/4 ton with a rear limited slip is a very capable truck for most instances where you could regularly get to need that. I have a half ton with a limited slip and am going to Anchorage tomorrow to pick up my 2016 3/4 ton with a limited slip and 4.10's. It's a big truck and dear god, if I get it hung up enough to want a front locker or a winch or 30" of submersion, I'm in too far.

If you want to look cool and splash through some mud from time to time, buy it. If you want to go legitimately off road and you know how to drive it, build your own truck or have one built with purpose-selected add-ons.

 

[missjordan]

It's a fair point that the mechanically capabilities of this rig are overkill for the majority people. If you are in deep enough to need front and rear lockers + winch on any kind of regular basis with a 3/4 ton, then you need to expect to be doing body damage and/or occasionally breaking stuff. If its just for the occasional "whoops, that mud was deeper than I thought" every once in a while, then maybe.

As my work truck can attest... a regular 2500 with a limited slip and good tires can go an amazing number of places if one is willing to risk the paint.

My family has a long history with Power Wagons.

Mid 50's military surplus. The "scoreboard" in the cab of this one has something like 50 moose, caribou and bear on it. Factory winch, but open diff's. Just a hair over 100 hp as I recall. The tires and gearing make up for what it lacks in horsepower.



This is another military one from the early 60's my brother and I used as shop class engine rebuild project in high school. Had a lot of fun tooling around the country in it.



A civilian one owned by my great uncle. Not much original left on this one, but it's all Power Wagon parts. Mostly from the 60's I believe.

That military rig is pretty sweet! My uncle has a couple of those and uses them to get into his cabins on the Smith River outside of Great Falls and they are pretty wicked.


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[cuerro viejo]

This is a really good post. I see trucks like this just like I see the Ford Raptor...a built truck for guys that want cool trucks but don't know how to how to do it/have it done themselves and are very expensive. And that's not a dig on anyone who owns one or wants one as they are cool trucks. I'm just saying, if I want a built truck, I want to choose what kind of winch it has, I want to choose the lockers, I want to choose the tires, I want to choose the engine upgrades, etc. This truck to me is the equivalent of a guy buying a Corvette, but then just drive around town on sunny days.

And then other good points about getting a truck this size into the kind of trouble that needs a winch and front and rear lockers, this isn't the truck for that kind of stuff unless you just want to go mud bogging all the time, in which case, back to my original point of building your own truck for that. Like someone said, a 3/4 ton with a rear limited slip is a very capable truck for most instances where you could regularly get to need that. I have a half ton with a limited slip and am going to Anchorage tomorrow to pick up my 2016 3/4 ton with a limited slip and 4.10's. It's a big truck and dear god, if I get it hung up enough to want a front locker or a winch or 30" of submersion, I'm in too far.

If you want to look cool and splash through some mud from time to time, buy it. If you want to go legitimately off road and you know how to drive it, build your own truck or have one built with purpose-selected add-ons.

Being able to turn anti lock off when you cruise over 50 miles of ranch roads a day is nice. Long travel suspension is nice also.
Raptor isn't a bad deal as long as you don't pay sticker. When you price out Long travel suspension on a Lariat 1/2(similar trim package) it's pretty close price wise. Biggest down fall to the raptor is payload but then again you swap out rear springs in F150 you will have same issue

As far as 3/4 ton the power wagon makes no sense to me when you can add a Carli kit to any dodge or Ford 3/4.

 

[BroodBuster]

With 370k miles on my T100 I'm finally starting to shop around for a replacement. And for me these newer generation of trucks are just way to big for the trails I most often find myself on. Not real sure how I end up with anything other than a Taco but I'm still gonna look at most everything out there.

So, IMO, if you can afford a Raptor or a Power Wagon and you're trails are mostly in desert or open country then go for it. And WOW, you've got yourself one badass 4X4!

But, if on the other hand, you run into me on a NW muddy jungle trail don't expect me to get out of the way just because you have the wrong truck for the job at twice the expense.

That's not a jab at anyone here but it happens to me all the time and I'm sort of getting sick of it. 60k and a huge truck does not give you the right of way on a single track jeep trail!!!