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[Formidilosus]

you mean 95gt Nosler will stabilize but not the 95gr TMK?

Correct. However, some 10” twist barrels do stabilize the 95gr TMK. Some will also stabilize the Hornady 105gr HPBT (some, not most).

But for 400 yards and in, the 95gr NBT is excellent.

 

[UnckleBob]

Yeah, good info to have. I was just assuming the smaller bullet was pushed more due to wind.

I'll take a look at the scope and see if I can figure out what the issue is.

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People forget that the 6.5CM was designed from he start for competition shooters out to 1,000 yards. The long, aerodynamic bullets it shoots are perfect for bucking the wind.

Note: Regardless of cartridge, I would not try a shoot at anything smaller than a car a 1000 yards. I have no idea how to read the wind well enough to pull off a 1 shot kill.

 

[JBradley500]

Haha. Nah, I like 300’s too. The 178gr ELD-M is one of the most destructive bullets you can get.





Not trying to dissuade you on the 300, but the 140gr ELD-M should have slightly less wind drift than the 178gr.

Hey Form,

How do you think the 175 tmk compares to the 178 eldm? I just ordered a bunch of 175 TMKs to load in 308, 06, and WM for target and hunting, but if you think the 178 eldm is the better ticket I might change my order.

 

[Formidilosus]

Hey Form,

How do you think the 175 tmk compares to the 178 eldm? I just ordered a bunch of 175 TMKs to load in 308, 06, and WM for target and hunting, but if you think the 178 eldm is the better ticket I might change my order.

The TMK’s will penetrate a bit deeper. I would choose them.

 

[JBradley500]

Awesome that's what my thought process was too so I'm glad you agree. Thank you.

 

[BjornF16]

109gr ELD-M,

Form,

What is the difference between the 108 and 109 ELD-M (other than 1 gr of weight)?

Is the design of the 109 ELD-M geared more for big game similar to the 95 NBT?

 

[Formidilosus]

Form,

What is the difference between the 108 and 109 ELD-M (other than 1 gr of weight)?

BC/form factor.

Is the design of the 109 ELD-M geared more for big game similar to the 95 NBT?

No sir. Same bullet terminally.

 

[amassi]

BC/form factor.




No sir. Same bullet terminally.

Is the 109 an a tip with an eld tip instead of aluminum?

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[Formidilosus]

Is the 109 an a tip with an eld tip instead of aluminum?

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There are slight differences, but that was the idea.

 

[bsnedeker]

Thought I would follow up on this since this thread got bigger than I thought it would!

I shot a tiny buck around 2 pm on opening day. He was in a nice hay field with big round bales all around him so it was really easy to get within 400 yards. I shot him from prone at 370. He ran for about 3 seconds, stopped, and as I was about to jack another round into him he got wobbly and fell over dead.

When I got up to him you could barely see the entrance hole from the 178gr ELDM. Hole was tiny and had closed up so zero blood on that side. Entrance was directly above the heart. Flipped him over and saw the exit... even with the exit fully in the ribs there was about a baseball sized bunch of lower intestine hanging out. This is the second time I've experienced this with this bullet (other time was a mule deer doe from about 200) where my bullet goes into the thoracic, but the diaphragm is compromised and gut material gets sucked into the chest cavity. The guts did not rupture though, so I simply pulled them back through the hole from the inside and all was good. Exit hole was about the size of a golf ball. Yeah, I should have taken pictures but that's not usually high on my list if priorities after killing something on a warm day!

Absolutely no meat loss whatsoever on this buck. Hit him square in the ribs so no bloodshot in the shoulders. I'm sure some guys will be concerned with the guts getting sucked into the chest, but I'm very happy with the results. In the future I might try to aim a bit higher in the thoracic where the diapgram is a bit further back... at least on small critters like antelope and does. Shouldn't be an issue on anything bigger than that.

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[fwafwow]

Thought I would follow up on this since this thread got bigger than I thought it would!

I shot a tiny buck around 2 pm on opening day. He was in a nice hay field with big round bales all around him so it was really easy to get within 400 yards. I shot him from prone at 370. He ran for about 3 seconds, stopped, and as I was about to jack another round into him he got wobbly and fell over dead.

When I got up to him you could barely see the entrance hole from the 178gr ELDM. Hole was tiny and had closed up so zero blood on that side. Entrance was directly above the heart. Flipped him over and saw the exit... even with the exit fully in the ribs there was about a baseball sized bunch of lower intestine hanging out. This is the second time I've experienced this with this bullet (other time was a mule deer doe from about 200) where my bullet goes into the thoracic, but the diaphragm is compromised and gut material gets sucked into the chest cavity. The guts did not rupture though, so I simply pulled them back through the hole from the inside and all was good. Exit hole was about the size of a golf ball. Yeah, I should have taken pictures but that's not usually high on my list if priorities after killing something on a warm day!

Absolutely no meat loss whatsoever on this buck. Hit him square in the ribs so no bloodshot in the shoulders. I'm sure some guys will be concerned with the guts getting sucked into the chest, but I'm very happy with the results. In the future I might try to aim a bit higher in the thoracic where the diapgram is a bit further back... at least on small critters like antelope and does. Shouldn't be an issue on anything bigger than that.

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Congratulations!

 

[ToolMann]

Correct. However, some 10” twist barrels do stabilize the 95gr TMK. Some will also stabilize the Hornady 105gr HPBT (some, not most).

But for 400 yards and in, the 95gr NBT is excellent.

Had been shooting 100 grain Hornady for a long time. Was never great. Loaded the 95 ballistic tips using the Painless Method, groups 1/2 the size. Went from a 300 yard gun to consistently ringing at 600 for my son. Think we have a winner for that gun.