Waiting for the punchline...

[Trial153]

It's not a stain on hunting because the two are mutually exclusive. One has nothing to do with the other. If there is no hunting involved, then it isn't hunting.........just as you've used a different term to describe it......."pen killing". You used a different term because it's a different activity. It's not hunting.

We used to raise four hogs every year for the freezer. Our processor had a refrigerated processing truck that he would drive to our place and then shoot each hog in the forehead, and load them up into the truck and process them. The hogs were in a "pen", and they were "killed". This so-called "pen killing" had absolutely nothing to do with hunting, so why would anyone confuse the two.......or even think or imply that they are related?

What the OP posted on has absolutely nothing to do with hunting........at all. Anyone with any sense at all can see that, so there is no stain to hunting. You even said it here So why would there be a stain to hunting?

Semantics.
Qui tacet consentire

 

[5MilesBack]

Semantics.
Qui tacet consentire

This then makes your views a little confusing. Is there a stain as you suggested or not? Or are you agreeing that the stain is created by those that have no sense?

 

[Trial153]

This then makes your views a little confusing. Is there a stain as you suggested or not? Or are you agreeing that the stain is created by those that have no sense?

Our silence on it Is seen as acceptance And therefore it is a stain upon us. A stain on hunting.
You should not expect a lay person to understand the difference it's not In their scope of knowledge. That doesn't make them senseless or stupid as you would Imply.

 

[Trial153]

Safari club International. 1st for hunters.



Go to a safari club convention and you will see dozens of booths selling animals for pen killing. Please tell me how its sense less for a lay person to see us Commiserating and profiting off these activities not to associate it with hunting?
How is that senseless of them.
Our silence is an indictment on ourselves. A stain on hunting.

 

[jolemons]

As a lifelong beef producer who is heavily involved in multiple facets of animal agriculture, I struggle with this. As a hunter, I often hear arguments made in support of hunting that are disparaging to livestock production. I feel that hunting and livestock production, both for the procurement of meat, should be supportive of each other. We're going down a slippery slope once we start trying to convince the Antis that one form of killing is superior to the other. The fact is, they're just different, neither is more humane or just in my opinion. I would never pay to hunt in a high fence and I don't think I would have much common ground with those that do. However, as long as they kill animals humanely and ethically, I support their decision.

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[dtrkyman]

A place I was guiding fly fishermen out of has an elk “park” two guys from New York flew in their plane in the morning and each killed a bull by like noon, we asked them if they were like to go on an afternoon fishing trip? They said no they had to go, they were there half day max and flew back!


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[5MilesBack]

Our silence on it Is seen as acceptance And therefore it is a stain upon us. A stain on hunting.
You should not expect a lay person to understand the difference it's not In their scope of knowledge. That doesn't make them senseless or stupid as you would Imply.

Gotcha. I thought your post was "your" silence.

Personally, I don't think it's our job to educate every person in the world on every subject out there. At some point, people need to be responsible for themselves, their own education, and their own understanding of things. If they can't see the difference between hunting and killing, I'm not sure there's ever any hope for them to understand much at all. Most all of this comes down to letting emotions rule their understandings.

I was at a potluck lunch for Labor Day this year and I made elk chili. There was a woman there that was scarfing it down and made a comment about how good it was. Another woman told her it was elk chili, and she stopped chewing midstream and pushed the bowl away. I asked her why. She said she didn't like the killing. There really is no argument at that point that will change their illogical thinking. They're OK with the beef in the stores "because nothing had to die", but when it comes from an animal that was killed after it was hunted, it somehow is now this horrible, atrocious, unacceptable thing in their minds. There is no amount of educating that can fix that logic.

 

[TheCougar]

Gotcha. I thought your post was "your" silence.

Personally, I don't think it's our job to educate every person in the world on every subject out there. At some point, people need to be responsible for themselves, their own education, and their own understanding of things. If they can't see the difference between hunting and killing, I'm not sure there's ever any hope for them to understand much at all. Most all of this comes down to letting emotions rule their understandings.

I was at a potluck lunch for Labor Day this year and I made elk chili. There was a woman there that was scarfing it down and made a comment about how good it was. Another woman told her it was elk chili, and she stopped chewing midstream and pushed the bowl away. I asked her why. She said she didn't like the killing. There really is no argument at that point that will change their illogical thinking. They're OK with the beef in the stores "because nothing had to die", but when it comes from an animal that was killed after it was hunted, it somehow is now this horrible, atrocious, unacceptable thing in their minds. There is no amount of educating that can fix that logic.

If we could only take every one of these people on an elk hunt and then take them to a slaughterhouse for comparison. I bet that would change their minds about hunting, or at a minimum have them understand their logical fallacy.

 

[netman]

High Fence Hunting will never go away I don’t care how much hell everyone raises. There is just too much money involved. Most of the HFH hunters I know could buy any of the ranches they hunt on. One of my friends has over a million dollars of HFH mounted whitetails. His dad passed away and he inherited his dads HFH mounts and I guarantee there is way over a million in hunts/mounts of just whitetails.
My buddy has bought a huge ranch and it has HGH on it. He is a executive for a company and he sells hunts to clients of the company.
These guys are constantly trying to top the others with the highest scoring or most drop tines or widest spread. It’s insane with the size of antlers they travel all over the US and Canada and shoot.
They are always talking about their friends who have shot some freak.
This year I was laying in my one man tent in GMU 18 and I got pictures from my buddy who just killed a 350” four drop tine buck. Talk about a difference in hunting areas. But they are good as gold and fun guys to be around.

 

[DenverCountryBoy]

... At some point, people need to be responsible for themselves, their own education, and their own understanding of things...

Yes they should. But they won't because people ruin everything.

 

[elkduds]

Any proof of that CWD claim?

Esse quam videri

Too lazy to google? Couple hints

History of Chronic Wasting Disease | AgriLife Extension Wildlife & Fisheries


Is High Fence Hunting a Good Thing for Sportsmen? | Field & Stream

 

[Backpack Hunter]

Too lazy to google? Couple hints

History of Chronic Wasting Disease | AgriLife Extension Wildlife & Fisheries


Is High Fence Hunting a Good Thing for Sportsmen? | Field & Stream

Did you read your links? The first link in the first paragraph says the location and mode of CWD is unknown. The second link has no statement on location.
I asked for proof, not conjecture....weird how that never seems to turn up.

Esse quam videri

 

[elkduds]

No need for conjecture that captive cervids increase CWD, including among adjacent wild populations. From the links, yet again:

Ranches located in America's elk country are the sources of greatest concern and conflict because of the heightened risk of disease transmission, the blocking of crucial big-game migration corridors by high fences, and the strong belief that their imitations of a challenging wilderness hunt cheapens the real thing.

The condition was first noted in 1967 in research mule deer herds in Colorado, but not confirmed as a TSE until the 1970s. By the late 1970s, CWD was recognized in captive facilities in Colorado and Wyoming in mule deer, black-tailed deer, and elk. In 1981, the disease was identified first in the wild in elk in Colorado, followed shortly by mule deer in 1985 in both Colorado and Wyoming. At that time, an endemic zone for the disease was established in those states. CWD, however, spread to captive herds in Saskatchewan, Canada in the mid-1990s, and to Oklahoma and Nebraska, and wild cervids in Saskatchewan by the year 2000.

WHEN DID CWD FIRST APPEAR? The first cases of classic "chronic wasting" appeared in the late 1960's in captive wild deer held in interchangeable deer research facilities operated by Colorado State University (CSU) and the Colorado Division of Wildlife (CDOW) at Ft Collins, Larimer County, Colorado. Wild deer cases were not observed until the late 1970's and then only with in a 50-kilometers (usually within a 5-km radius) of the research facilities even though sampling occurred outside that radius.

 

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Lots of posers in todays world. Some of them even have themselves convinced about how great they are. Pretty sad, actually.