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A landowner can charger $20k for a voucher but a state try to charge $3700 and we’re up in arms
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Maybe I’m not following at what you are getting at. My original statement was a general statement about having people actively participating in hunting. Nothing to do with R vs NR opportunities. It was about anti hunters increasing costs to have more people stop being involved, therefore when ballot initiatives come more people will not care about voting prohunting. I am not opposed to paying more than residents to hunt out west, but these increases would be hard to swallow if I was applying in Utah.
I try to back most prohunting initiatives, even in places I will never hunt. That is to avoid the trickle down affect to places that I do hunt.
Fixed.Kinda ridiculous but we are at the point of pay to apply.
To be honest, I would GLADLY pay 4k or 5k to Utah to draw one of the premium tags that I currently have spent 16 years applying for and still need at today's point creep 22-25 points. Go on the hunt and be done. Will I be able to draw them in 7-10 years? I don't know. I do know that I want to draw them and then be done. Once I draw my Utah Elk tag I won't be applying for another one, that's for sure. The money is a huge thing but even bigger than that is the time.
And a lot of people doped up good and proper.What really chaps me when I think about this what a load of bs we were all sold 16-20 years ago. I started applying out west in 2007 and back then I remember Huntin'Fool and others preaching, "Apply, Apply, Apply!" In my naivete I assumed that 1. Things would stay the same and legislatures and a skyrocketing demand wouldn't change the landscape, 2. I never stopped to calculate that a lot of what I was applying for was mathmatically impossible. Some tags for OIL species like sheep and moose are impossible to draw unless you are either very young or are already way ahead in the points.
Now I am stuck with all these points and a lot of states like Utah is making it extremely expensive to apply, and Colorado is about to start offering half of premium tags available in a random draw watering down the preference points I have spent nearly two decades acquiring.
A landowner can charger $20k for a voucher but a state try to charge $3700 and we’re up in arms
Agreed, Utah may be the very worst state for that. It's shocking how much of the tag pool goes to landowners. And those tags all get sold through the big outfitters.If it was up to most of us on here landowners would get exactly 0 voucher tags and they would have to draw for tags the like the rest of us instead of playing "kings deer" with THE PUBLICS wildlife.
You can't tell me with a straight face that Utah residents wouldn't be up in arms if this proposal included doubling resident fees... All making these exact same complaints seen in this forum.Is there a state in the intermountain west that nonresidents don’t pay for the majority of wildlife agencies budget?
Residents of Utah have a right to hunt and fish, per the state constitution. Nonresidents are extended the privilege to come here to hunt or fish. Just the way it is and if you want to do it, well your going to have to pay for it.
It is funny to me when people complain when states raise the prices for nonresidents and then continue to apply. Why do you think they keep raising the prices?
Residents would be burning down the Capitol if they raised them 10%.You can't tell me with a straight face that Utah residents wouldn't be up in arms if this proposal included doubling resident fees... All making these exact same complaints seen in this forum.
As I stated before, I understand that residents have preference, I have no issue there. I apply in 15 states as a nonresident, resident preference isn't news. If this proposal had been a 50% tag/app fee increase, I really wouldn't have batted an eye, as Utah has been a relatively cheap state to apply for year to year, even with the terrible odds of actually drawing. Now it will still have those same terrible odds and be the most expensive state I apply for. Makes Nevada look like a deal.
Unfortunately, I don't think even these new prices are quite to a point that will scare off a big portion of nonresidents. At least for LE opportunities, as the quality is there in most places in Utah. If this does get approved, I would guess you will see a peak in applications this year and likely only see about 60% of the people that draw general deer tags in 2025 come back in 2026 to start building points for general deer again. I don't see the applications for limited entry anything going down much, would be surprised if it's even a 10% drop.
Don't get me wrong, I am 100% complaining, but I'm not mad... it sucks, but "mad" is a stretch. All I have to do is revamp my budget for applications next year. Maybe I drop a few species, maybe I don't.
What’s crazy is if you look at the draw odds, as a Utah non-resident, unless you’re a max point holder, you could literally apply every year for the rest of your life and NEVER draw a limited entry hunt. Even worse for once in a lifetime hunts. I have been doing the General deer tag every year with my family that lives in Utah, but hard to justify $800+ for a General deer tag!
Unfortunately there’s a lot of us that are in this exact same situation. Hard to love it when you can’t afford it.Sad to see what they are doing to hunting out west. Pricing regular people with families out of the game. All these prices keep doubling and my wages don’t. I prioritized my career to have time off because hunting used to be affordable~guess I should have went for the money instead!!! Hope I win the lottery soon