Unknown suppressors OG testing

[david2duck]

If you have an erection that last longer than 4 hours……. Read the last 10-15 pages of this thread and there’s a good chance it goes down.

 

[kopmantrey]

This is one of the ones that someone recommended to me:

MK12 Mod FOR | FOR Systems

frontofriflesystems.com

That is a sweet looking can but is still heavier than the OG. The OG is 99%of what i want in a can but I just thought I saw a potential way to improve the weight and volume (suppression). Not to mention the weight shaved off the barrel, I don't know if that would amount to much or not. It wouldn't be a very good looking barrel profile without the suppressor but i don't shoot unsuppressed anyway.

 

[Formidilosus]

That is a sweet looking can but is still heavier than the OG. The OG is 99%of what i want in a can but I just thought I saw a potential way to improve the weight and volume (suppression). Not to mention the weight shaved off the barrel, I don't know if that would amount to much or not. It wouldn't be a very good looking barrel profile without the suppressor but i don't shoot unsuppressed anyway.

The problem is there is one person that might buy it (you). People can barely grasp OTB that requires no modification to the rifle. What you want is in essence integrally suppressed.


It will cost more, but if you prepay for it, I’ll get them to make it if it is doable?

 

[Unknown Suppressors]

The problem is there is one person that might buy it (you). People can barely grasp OTB that requires no modification to the rifle. What you want is in essence integrally suppressed.


It will cost more, but if you prepay for it, I’ll get them to make it if it is doable?

Exactly, this idea we have kicked around but having something that has to be installed by a gunsmith seriously limits how many people will be in the market for it!

 

[cuerro viejo]

Exactly, this idea we have kicked around but having something that has to be installed by a gunsmith seriously limits how many people will be in the market for it!

ABC!!!! You could of just sold a prefit barrel with integral OG or OGL combo

 

[kopmantrey]

The problem is there is one person that might buy it (you). People can barely grasp OTB that requires no modification to the rifle. What you want is in essence integrally suppressed.


It will cost more, but if you prepay for it, I’ll get them to make it if it is doable?

First is this a can you yourself would choose over the existing OG? It would seem if the uniformed masses(me) could be shown the benefits of the ugly never seen before rokstok this wouldn't be such a stretch. I would be interested if I knew a cost and estimated weight/db rating.

Exactly, this idea we have kicked around but having something that has to be installed by a gunsmith seriously limits how many people will be in the market for it!

This can would still work on a regular muzzle although it would just be another 8 inch can. The barrel threading is something any competent smith could do easily. I do understand your and @Formidilosus arguments though.

 

[Formidilosus]

First is this a can you yourself would choose over the existing OG?

No. Probably not. It’s too limiting, and too specific for what I believe the gains would be. If you are going that far, integrally suppressed is the way. Otherwise using a collar at the back ala OPS Inc is the way. That, I could see using as the collars could be custom made for each barrel easy enough.

 

[kopmantrey]

No. Probably not. It’s too limiting, and too specific for what I believe the gains would be. If you are going that far, integrally suppressed is the way. Otherwise using a collar at the back ala OPS Inc is the way. That, I could see using as the collars could be custom made for each barrel easy enough.

I'm trying to figure out how a custom collar is easier than setting the shoulder back 4 inches on the barrel threading the back .5ish inch 5/8 24 and turning the remaining 3.5 inches down to .5 to slide in. I could have my local smith do it for 200 bucks. Sorry I'll be done derailing this thread.

 

[Formidilosus]

I'm trying to figure out how a custom collar is easier than setting the shoulder back 4 inches on the barrel threading the back .5ish inch 5/8 24 and turning the remaining 3.5 inches down to .5 to slide in. I could have my local smith do it for 200 bucks. Sorry I'll be done derailing this thread.

Because it would have to be done on every barrel, and then that can is only good for that barrel. You will still need the muzzle to be threaded in some way or captured by the can- you can’t just have it floating inside it.

I’m not generally interested in one offs to save an ounce or two. I’m not saying it wouldn’t work, I’m saying the juice isn’t worth the squeeze for me.

 

[nm.otter]

I continue to believe that ISBs will be part of our future.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Purposely shooting at all, with a can or not, in the mountains or at the range on shooting days makes no sense to me. You aren’t “testing” anything valuable or measurable at all so what exactly is the goal? I’m asking a genuine question here not trying to be an ass.

On a hunt I get it, there isn’t always time to stick ears in and still be able to hear hits on animals, call outs from spotter, how loud your shuffling around is, etc.

I’ve shot WAY too many rounds without ear pro and I’ve drummed/played live music since I was 12.

It does suck saying “huh?” to my wife and kids at such a young age.

 

[gtriple]

You will still need the muzzle to be threaded in some way or captured by the can- you can’t just have it floating inside it.

Why?

 

[HuntHarder]

Purposely shooting at all, with a can or not, in the mountains or at the range on shooting days makes no sense to me. You aren’t “testing” anything valuable or measurable at all so what exactly is the goal? I’m asking a genuine question here not trying to be an ass.

On a hunt I get it, there isn’t always time to stick ears in and still be able to hear hits on animals, call outs from spotter, how loud your shuffling around is, etc.

I’ve shot WAY too many rounds without ear pro and I’ve drummed/played live music since I was 12.

It does suck saying “huh?” to my wife and kids at such a young age.

I can understand this way if thinking, but your ears do not care if you are hunting or not. If damage is going to occur, it will during your 1 shot target shooting or your 1 shot hunting. The result is the same. I work around Tons of loud noises all day. I am always on guys to throw in our ear pro. Making it seem like exponentially dumber to do it during practice vs. hunting doesn't make sense to me. They are both easily preventable, if you truly care about every shot being shot with ear pro in.

 

[cuerro viejo]

First is this a can you yourself would choose over the existing OG? It would seem if the uniformed masses(me) could be shown the benefits of the ugly never seen before rokstok this wouldn't be such a stretch. I would be interested if I knew a cost and estimated weight/db rating.

This can would still work on a regular muzzle although it would just be another 8 inch can. The barrel threading is something any competent smith could do easily. I do understand your and @Formidilosus arguments though.

No idea what I’m talking about but….

The amount of carbon build up on the barrel behind the threads would require a lot of maintenance/cleaning, to be able add/remove it easily IMO

 

[wind gypsy]

Exactly, this idea we have kicked around but having something that has to be installed by a gunsmith seriously limits how many people will be in the market for it!

Do you have an idea of what something like this would weigh using OG dimensions? I imagine it would greatly increase volume in the reflex.

At this time, i'd agree that most suppressor buyers want standard threads so they can swap a can around but there are getting to be a lot more of us who try to leave a can dedicated to a rifle. I bet my local smith would charge me $150 tops to do a muzzle up that way.

 

[omicron1792]

Do you have an idea of what something like this would weigh using OG dimensions? I imagine it would greatly increase volume in the reflex.

At this time, i'd agree that most suppressor buyers want standard threads so they can swap a can around but there are getting to be a lot more of us who try to leave a can dedicated to a rifle. I bet my local smith would charge me $150 tops to do a muzzle up that way.

I agree. I also think integrated suppressor barrels are the future. Most people don’t shoot 10k rounds a year. A IBS that lasted 5-10 years would be fine to most people.

 

[Nine Banger]

At this time, i'd agree that most suppressor buyers want standard threads so they can swap a can around but there are getting to be a lot more of us who try to leave a can dedicated to a rifle.

It seems like first time can buyers are obsessed with making one can work on all their guns. I know guys that have spent years vacillating on this aspect and still don't have a can. They yearn to be able to take it apart and clean it too.

Shooters that are making a true verified zero their top priority are doing "the twist" or busting out a strap wrench and shooting the barrel out.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I can understand this way if thinking, but your ears do not care if you are hunting or not. If damage is going to occur, it will during your 1 shot target shooting or your 1 shot hunting. The result is the same. I work around Tons of loud noises all day. I am always on guys to throw in our ear pro. Making it seem like exponentially dumber to do it during practice vs. hunting doesn't make sense to me. They are both easily preventable, if you truly care about every shot being shot with ear pro in.

I’m not looking to reignite the debate, but my original position was based on “normal hearing protection” for shooting being “single protection.” Because that’s what I used - from necessity - for years and years on military ranges - both maneuver and static - with weapons ranging from small arms to demolition, artillery, and tanks. I didn’t have the choice to wear headphones over my Kevlar. We wore ear plugs all the time and used radio headsets that relied on our mastoids. I had the good fortune to come out with the same baseline hearing as when I went in.

I also based my [mis]judgment on the fact that “a good can” provides the same NRR as a properly worn pair of ear plugs or headphones (approximately 30 NRR). The studies I had previously seen indicated only a mild improvement (+5 NRR) for using additional hearing protection against sporadic noise (like gunfire on an outdoor range). There are additional studies - which I found during the course of this discussion - that indicate that double-hearing protection may be +15 or +20 NRR. But, even if it is only +5 NRR, the cost of using double or triple hearing protection is so minimal that it just doesn’t make sense to use “just a suppressor” whenever it is possible. And it is always possible in a typical civilian range environment.

So, for all the frustration it may have caused Form and others, his angry persistence has won at least one convert and I will be preaching and practicing at least double hearing protection henceforth.


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[Unknown Suppressors]

Do you have an idea of what something like this would weigh using OG dimensions? I imagine it would greatly increase volume in the reflex.

At this time, i'd agree that most suppressor buyers want standard threads so they can swap a can around but there are getting to be a lot more of us who try to leave a can dedicated to a rifle. I bet my local smith would charge me $150 tops to do a muzzle up that way.

Have a really good idea of what it would weigh… I have an OG that is hub at the start of the reflex so all I really need to do is modify a barrel to get it to go over and use a direct thread adapter!

 

[omicron1792]

Black collar has been doing this integrated with Raptor for a while. Looks cool.

SBD Integrally Suppressed Firearms – Black Collar Arms

blackcollararms.com