Unknown suppressors OG testing

[wind gypsy]

This went stupid in a hurry. Hunt with a can and no ear pro if you want. That’s part of the benefit of using a can. I do. Shooting suppressed with no ear pro during practice is dumb. You just expose yourself to hearing loss. I don’t.

The headscratcher I see is team US insinuating their customers are stupid because they want to see what their gun will sound like for a few shots. I can only imagine the same folks are exposed to magnitudes more earpro free shots with all the animals they kill than these people who want to try it once before hunting.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

The headscratcher I see is team US insinuating their customers are stupid because they want to see what their gun will sound like for a few shots.

This the part that I find strange. It seems like nearly every comment or question I have asked about the OG has been met with hostility. But, in fairness, it is not US. It is Form and Ryan. The Unknown Suppressors account has been much more positive.


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[The Harbor Master]

Fwiw, as an outside observer with no dog in the fight, that's the impression I've gotten as I've followed along in this thread.

 

[HairyScandinavian]

What if we have to shoot at our animal 6-10 times?

Might wanna take up golf.

 

[2buffalo]

I have a crap ton of experience with suppressed shooting without ear pro and know what a reflexes can does to the tone/frequency. Then you have someone walk out in the middle of an open field 20-30 yards in front of you and shoot. Beyond that, it’s pretty easy to hear most things through most ear pro.

Are you saying not a single person who worked on the development of this suppressor ever fired one shot without ear protection in?

 

[Deadspace]

I don’t have a dog in the fight either but I think there’s a lot of ignorance on the consumers end and lack of educating the consumer on the sellers end. Especially those new to suppressors and specifically about shooting a suppressed rifle with earpro multiple times at the range.

I attribute this to adrenaline but when I shoot an animal while using a suppressor, my ears don’t ring. Maybe I’m lucky but the past four I have shot have not left me with ringing ears. I use an ultra 9 and 7. However, if I forget to slide down my earpro at the range, they’ll ring. I shoot a 16” 223 and 6 creed fwiw

 

[Bluumoon]

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Don't but them, they suck. Alert me immediately if one is seen for sale though, no one should be burdened with one.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I attribute this to adrenaline but when I shoot an animal while using a suppressor, my ears don’t ring. Maybe I’m lucky but the past four I have shot have not left me with ringing ears. I use an ultra 9 and 7. However, if I forget to slide down my earpro at the range, they’ll ring. I shoot a 16” 223 and 6 creed fwiw

Yes, I observed the same thing over the years when deer hunting unsuppressed. Obviously, one is still potentially damaging his hearing, but I almost never notice the ringing while deer hunting.

One of the things I have learned in the last month is that you can damage your hearing without experiencing the ears ringing. And you can also experience ears ringing at sounds well below the OSHA safe threshold.


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[huntnful]

I test fire my muzzle brakes with no ear pro to make sure the tone is so loud that the animals have no idea where the shot came from. They don’t know where to run when the whole canyon sounds like a bomb went off lol.

 

[ACHILLES]

After reading this thread I’m sure UM/US is about to pull their hair out. Some of yal are a customer service teams worst nightmare lol.

 

[Kaleb]

After reading this thread I’m sure UM/US is about to pull their hair out. Some of yal are a customer service teams worst nightmare lol.

This is a good example of what has took place. A person says one thing and it totally gets spun around. What I choose to do is with any brand suppressor and it’s certainly not directed towards customer service. I did say first impressions were the OG was louder but also read where they quiet down after some fouling. That seems to be the case. Every suppressor I have sounds more alike than different and the OG is 2+ inches shorter. My only experience with US was smooth and they quickly answered the question or two I had about purchasing. Top shelf outfit as far as I’m concerned. I’m happy with every suppressor I have. I don’t think anything I’ve said has been rude or disrespectful towards anyone or any company.

With all the potentially dangerous things men do or at least questionable things men do I’m amazed that saying you take 2-3 suppressed shots without protection has caused such a stink. Maybe some people take it personally if another man has a different opinion or way of doing things? I hope no one admits to being out in the sun without proper sunscreen or polarized glasses.

 

[gtriple]

Anybody in the Charlotte area with an OG and wants to do some shooting?

 

[Nine Banger]

Anybody in the Charlotte area with an OG and wants to do some shooting?

If you're wiling to drive a few hours we will have 3 of them in the same place on Tuesday or Wednesday. PM me.

Raptors too.

 

[ACHILLES]

This is a good example of what has took place. A person says one thing and it totally gets spun around. What I choose to do is with any brand suppressor and it’s certainly not directed towards customer service. I did say first impressions were the OG was louder but also read where they quiet down after some fouling. That seems to be the case. Every suppressor I have sounds more alike than different and the OG is 2+ inches shorter. My only experience with US was smooth and they quickly answered the question or two I had about purchasing. Top shelf outfit as far as I’m concerned. I’m happy with every suppressor I have. I don’t think anything I’ve said has been rude or disrespectful towards anyone or any company.

With all the potentially dangerous things men do or at least questionable things men do I’m amazed that saying you take 2-3 suppressed shots without protection has caused such a stink. Maybe some people take it personally if another man has a different opinion or way of doing things? I hope no one admits to being out in the sun without proper sunscreen or polarized glasses.

Wasn’t referring to you or your last few post. Any person out there who has ever bought a can of any configuration has tested it without ear plugs just to see if they could do without. I’ve shot my cans plenty without ear pro in the field even though it’s not the smartest thing to do.

 

[Formidilosus]

The headscratcher I see is team US insinuating their customers are stupid because they want to see what their gun will sound like for a few shots. I can only imagine the same folks are exposed to magnitudes more earpro free shots with all the animals they kill than these people who want to try it once before hunting.

“Team US” isn’t insinuating anything. I am not team anyone. Jake from UM pulled his ear pro out to hear what an OG sounded like on a 33xc and I told him he was an idiot and deserved the hearing loss he would get. It’s simply ignorant.

Do you test your safety helmets by having someone hit you over the head with a baseball bat? Do you test your airbags by driving straight into a wall?

You can hear that it is a suppressor with ear plugs in- you ears aren’t calibrated to tell dB- so all you are doing is risking damage- the same way that having someone hit you on the helmet on your head is only risking damage. The whole reason to check and measure the dB is to ensure that they are below 140dbA- without risking or damaging people’s hearing. The same reason that dummies and sensors are used in testing wrecks, and not live people.

It would be quite a bit different if the people doing this had someone else shoot the cans while 10-20 yards in front of them in an open field- that at least is reducing the risk substantially.
There has been one other time that I can remember when someone was talking about listening to the loudness of different cans without ear pro, using it if I recall a Hyperion K (one of my favorite cans), and I said the same thing on that thread- stop doing it.

This the part that I find strange. It seems like nearly every comment or question I have asked about the OG has been met with hostility. But, in fairness, it is not US. It is Form and Ryan. The Unknown Suppressors account has been much more positive.

It isn’t hostility- it’s trying to stop people from reading what you write and thinking they should go out and do it. From your first post about shooting without ear pro my goal has been to get you to stop doing that, and to keep others from doing it- I don’t care what can it is. Someone writes something unsafe- yet seems to make sense (this whole conversation), and then a whole rash people are out there popping of rounds on a range without ear pro going “all cans make my ear ring” (just like @Harvey_NW learned). Suppressors are a safety device in case you shoot without ear pro- not a magic free for all movie gizmo. Yes- people do it in real life, the difference is normally when it is explained to them about the risk of permanent damage and that they aren’t learning anything worth that risk- they understand and stop. You seem hell bent on doubling down and justifying it. And that’s fine- you do you, but other people need to understand that it is not a good idea.

Before you respond- reread the analogy above of helmets and airbags- then think about it.

 

[Ryan Avery]

My non smartass response...... This isn't just about the OG, it's about suppressors in general. I have likely shot over 50,000 rounds with a suppressor and fewer than 50 rounds without hearing protection. I'm noticing a growing trend where people believe it's acceptable and "hearing safe" to shoot without protection when using suppressors. My hearing is already suffering from my experiences with guns and my time in the military. I have a constant ringing in my ears every day. So, please remember to wear hearing protection and avoid smoking cigarettes.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

“Team US” isn’t insinuating anything. I am not team anyone. Jake from UM pulled his ear pro out to hear what an OG sounded like on a 33xc and I told him he was an idiot and deserved the hearing loss he would get. It’s simply ignorant.

Do you test your safety helmets by having someone hit you over the head with a baseball bat? Do you test your airbags by driving straight into a wall?

You can hear that it is a suppressor with ear plugs in- you ears aren’t calibrated to tell dB- so all you are doing is risking damage- the same way that having someone hit you on the helmet on your head is only risking damage- you’re telling anything.

It would be quite a bit different if the people doing this had someone else shoot the cans while 10-20 yards in front of them in an open field. There has been one other time that I can remember when someone was talking about listening to the loudness of different cans, using it if I recall a Hyperion K (one of my favorite cans), and I said the same thing on that thread- stop doing it.






It isn’t hostility- it’s trying to stop people from reading what you write and thinking they should go out and do it. From your first post about shooting without ear pro my goal has been to get you to stop doing that, and to keep others from doing it- I don’t care what can it is. Someone writes something unsafe- yet seems to make sense (this whole conversation), and then a whole rash people are out there popping of rounds on a range without ear pro going “all cans make my ear ring” (just like @Harvey_NW learned). Suppressors are a safety device in case you shoot without ear pro- not a magic free for all movie gizmo. Yes- peoole do it in real life, the only difference is normally when it is explained to them about the risk of permanent damage and that they aren’t learning anything worth that risk- they understand and stop. You seem hell bent on doubling down and justifying it. That’s fine- you do you, but other people need to understand that it is not a good idea.

Before you respond- reread the analogy above of helmets and airbags- then think about it.

You seem hellbent on comparing firing a suppressed round to actual life ending threats and abnormal uses for the equipment.

I understand that a suppressor isn’t perfect, but a good one provides the same NRR as a pair of properly worn earplugs. Roughly 30 NRR. But doubling up doesn’t make it twice as safe. It raises the NRR from roughly 30 to 35. And, yes, the db rating is logarithmic, not linear, so any improvement is good and should be encouraged.

I don’t see you being rude to people for suggesting that it is okay to shoot unsuppressed firearms with properly inserted foamies or properly fitting headphones. What am I missing? Educate me. Don’t condescend to me.

My goal is to take measured risks and to use double hearing protection whenever possible. But I am not going to act like firing rifles with single protection is the equivalent of testing ELDMs on myself.

I get the need to protect my hearing. But your analogy is terrible. Normal use for a car with an airbag is NOT driving it into a wall. That is an abnormal scenario. Normal use for a hunting rifle with a suppressor is firing the occasional round without hearing protection. Because normal use for a hunting rifle without a suppressor is firing the occasional round without hearing protection. We spend the thousands of dollars on suppressors so we can get the same NRR we could get from a free pair of earplugs, but without losing the ability to hear our surroundings. And that’s about a lot more than hearing leaves rustling. It’s also about all the other situational awareness that comes from being able to hear.

Your aggressiveness started long before this part of the discussion. Every question that has been asked here has been met with condescension and rudeness. You appeared irritated at simple questions like, “I don’t see any links to the testing on US’s website. Where are they? Or, what is the SE dBA rating for the OG?” Never mind that most of the initial feedback offered resulted in more information being posted on the US website. If that’s just your personality, then that’s just your personality. But if you think you are actually helping people by doing that, you need to reevaluate your teaching style.


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[Formidilosus]

I don’t see you being rude to people for suggesting that it is okay to shoot unsuppressed firearms with properly inserted foamies or properly fitting headphones. What am I missing? Educate me. Don’t condescend to me.

You haven’t read very much of what I have written have you? Search my name, ear pro, and muffs- and see what pops up. I have been very open about doubling up ear pro with ANY unsuppressed shot.

Your aggressiveness started long before this part of the discussion.

Pointing out that what you are doing and justifying is not a good idea.. is not aggressiveness.

Every question that has been asked here has been met with condescension and rudeness. You appeared irritated at simple questions like, “I don’t see any links to the testing on US’s website.

Because it is disingenuous when the information is everywhere in the very same threads that you make statements on. The information on the cans and testing has been more open than any can that I can think of.

Where are they?

You mean when you stated that the dB wasn’t listed- yet it was, and is, in the description on the product page?

Or, what is the SE dBA rating for the OG?” Never mind that most of the initial feedback offered resulted in more information being posted on the US website.

Has it? I believe everything was there before you stated it wasn’t- specifically because I went and looked.

If that’s just your personality, then that’s just your personality.

My “personality” is to let people doing something silly know that it is silly- and to stop being silly. Then explain why it is silly repeatedly. Then, when they continue to justify it and ignore- I stop trying.
I wish you well in shooting cans on ranges without ear pro, scanning for animals through your scope, etc.

But if you think you are actually helping people by doing that, you need to reevaluate your teaching style.

Clearly.

 

[svivian]

You haven’t read very much of what I have written have you? Search my name, ear pro, and muffs- and see what pops up. I have been very open about doubling up ear pro with ANY unsuppressed shot.




Pointing out that what you are doing and justifying is not a good idea.. is not aggressiveness.




Because it is disingenuous when the information is everywhere in the very same threads that you make statements on. The information on the cans and testing has been more open than any can that I can think of.




You mean when you stated that the dB wasn’t listed- yet it was, and is, in the description on the product page?




Has it? I believe everything was there before you stated it wasn’t- specifically because I went and looked.




My “personality” is to let people doing something silly know that it is silly- and to stop being silly. Then explain why it is silly repeatedly. Then, when they continue to justify it and ignore- I stop trying.
I wish you well in shooting cans on ranges without ear pro, scanning for animals through your scope, etc.




Clearly.

The next S2H class is going to be a grand ole time for you two

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Form,

You have nearly 12,000 posts on this lovely forum. You cannot expect someone to have read your opinion on every possible topic. Or to find every possible thing you ever wrote before asking a follow-up question (e.g., I still haven’t found where you said that the Scythe was going to be a bad can before I purchased the damned thing).

Nor should you assume that questions are disingenuous. Life is a lot simpler if you assume ignorance rather than malice. I am here to learn and share. I don’t have all the answers. I’m not afraid to share my experiences and practices and learn from responses.

You mentioned the “scanning for animals through my scope.” I freely admit to doing that for the past forty years hunting on private land with a mountain for a backdrop. And to spending many months in Afghanistan looking for threats and confirming HA/PID with my ACOG. It’s not a justification, but it’s what I was taught. I was honestly perplexed when people suggested that this wasn’t “normal behavior” (even on private land with my mountain for a backdrop). So, my initial reaction was one of disbelief and defensiveness. But my considered reaction was to purchase a good pair of binoculars and start using them.

Furthermore, at no point have I advocated range sessions without wearing double hearing protection. Occasional 1-shot exposures without double hearing protection were acceptable risks as far as I was concerned. But I accept your point that it is an unnecessary risk and therefore not worth taking it. Or that any benefits are outweighed by the potential harm. I made a basic ORM error in accepting an unnecessary risk.


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