Unknown suppressors OG testing

[Halligan]

Comments like this should be suppressed.


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No way we will be QUIET fighting this tyranny

 

[ElPollo]

IMO, that's because AB knows that "more out front" means better suppression and noise reduction. Each shooter needs to evaluate their priorities and go from there. The OG needs to wind up under the silencer shop umbrella if you ask me. It will make them much more price competitive, and competition is about to really ramp up if the new bill passes and Trump signs off. The more choices the better.

Unless you have experience with both cans, you are just speculating. Maybe you should buy an OG and give us a full comparison. Otherwise it’s just shit-stirring.

 

[ElPollo]

i’m not totally convinced that an integral suppressor is the best answer either. Definitely worth looking into but if you remember on their hundred round 300 rum test, they literally shot the rifling out of the barrel for the section that was covered by the suppressor. I think the barrel would hold so much more heat and cause a ton more mirage. That was a ridiculously overkill test though. I assume it would be similar to the differences and benefit from one suppressor style to another. Probably makes sense for some uses and doesn’t for others.

Integral suppressors are even a hard sell in Europe for centerfire rifles due to barrel life. You see them for rimfires and shotguns, but it’s hard to justify one on a barrel you are going to shoot out. I think the velocity penalty on centerfires is also pretty high on integrals.

 

[nm.otter]

Clever engineering and modern materials science should be able to optimize the ISB.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I’m sorry, but I’m not gonna get into this. This is semantics at best. Nobody else cares or would even understand any of this. I’m not paid to do any of this and this has gotten far enough into the weeds.

I'm not an acoustics expert. I had access to this equipment and have researched enough to use it to share comparison information.

Some of you guys really take for granted that there's a group of people on here who are using their own time and resources to provide information for you.

For real I think @4th_point should buy one and film his process for testing and analysis. Maybe in his own super advanced thread that includes Klingon translations.

 

[kswaterfowl]

Thanks for posting these and "showing" rather than "telling". It really sounds to me like the OG is the only can with any TING sound based on these videos. And also sounds louder than the Scythe. Understand the video audio doesn't capture reality perfectly but I'm curious if you can say more on this.

I thought the same thing when I watched it.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Unless you have experience with both cans, you are just speculating. Maybe you should buy an OG and give us a full comparison. Otherwise it’s just shit-stirring.

This is the kind of baffling fanboy response that has no place in a discussion thread about the OG. If I believed in suppressing free speech as much as I do other unhelpful noise, I’d tell you to “can it.” Asking practical questions about the comparisons raised by the OP is not shit-stirring. A willingness to ask practical, or even difficult, questions, is the essence of being an OG. And, if you feel otherwise, maybe whisper it to yourself, lest you find yourself in a pickle. Or even worse, on OF stirring your own shit with a pickle.


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[ElPollo]

For real I think @4th_point should buy one and film his process for testing and analysis. Maybe in his own super advanced thread that includes Klingon translations.

I don’t think he actually does stuff like buy stuff and test it. It’s easier to complain about how others are doing things.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I don’t think he actually does stuff like buy stuff and test it. It’s easier to complain about how others are doing things.

Ah I see. That’s a bummer.

 

[ElPollo]

This is the kind of baffling fanboy response that has no place in a discussion thread about the OG. If I believed in suppressing free speech as much as I do other unhelpful noise, I’d tell you to “can it.” Asking practical questions about the comparisons raised by the OP is not shit-stirring. A willingness to ask practical, or even difficult, questions, is the essence of being an OG. And, if you feel otherwise, maybe whisper it to yourself, lest you find yourself in a pickle. Or even worse, on OF stirring your own shit with a pickle.


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Fan boy? Hah… That’s funny. I was responding @JGRaider who only bought a Raptor a month ago and now apparently has all of the reflex engineering knowledge of AB Suppressor’s entire team. I was making suggestions that might allow him to add something positive to the conversation.

 

[ElPollo]

This is the kind of baffling fanboy response that has no place in a discussion thread about the OG. If I believed in suppressing free speech as much as I do other unhelpful noise, I’d tell you to “can it.” Asking practical questions about the comparisons raised by the OP is not shit-stirring. A willingness to ask practical, or even difficult, questions, is the essence of being an OG. And, if you feel otherwise, maybe whisper it to yourself, lest you find yourself in a pickle. Or even worse, on OF stirring your own shit with a pickle.


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I was just making suggestions for how old @JGRaider might actually add to the discussion.

 

[JGRaider]

Unless you have experience with both cans, you are just speculating. Maybe you should buy an OG and give us a full comparison. Otherwise it’s just shit-stirring.

Quit whining, it's very juvenile of you. Dioni's own tested numbers are as follows, as you obviously missed it. Otherwise you'd know I was commenting on this exact data.


Sounds was measured roughly at shooters ear location.

Jk 155 138.7
PWS 134.3
AB A10 133.5
AB RAPTOR 8 127.6
UM OG 134.5

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Quit whining, it's very juvenile of you. Dioni's own tested numbers are as follows, as you obviously missed it. Otherwise you'd know I was commenting on this exact data.


Sounds was measured roughly at shooters ear location.

Jk 155 138.7
PWS 134.3
AB A10 133.5
AB RAPTOR 8 127.6
UM OG 134.5

Well… the A10 is 7 baffles and the raptor 8 is 8 baffles so per those numbers it obviously ain’t only in “more out front”. Which AB also knows...

The bang for weight penalty in AB’s is always you get more suppression for more length cause more baffles are less weight at the expense of length. Iirc it was something like a 3” reflex was like 2 baffles, with the reflex weighing more. But the reflex absolutely contributes, as easily seen in Dioni’s and ABs testing. It just depends which metric matters most: length, weight, sound suppression. Prioritize accordingly.

 

[mtnbound]

I see some folks are saying Unknown needs to be more price-competitive, but in looking at OTB 30cal cans, the AB Raptor 8 is $950.00, the Griffin PSR is $1016.00, and the OG is $999.00. Seems like they are priced in the ballpark.

It will still cost manufacturers to build them, so even if they are removed from the NFA, I doubt that production costs will suddenly drop, and the price of every suppressor will decrease just because more folks might want one.

I fail to understand why people get hung up on the $200.00 tax stamp; yes, I dislike it, but my hearing protection is worth the money to me. The most significant pain point has been the wait times, but that is no longer an issue at this point. I just bought a can today, and my paperwork was approved 4 hours later. I can pick up my can tomorrow.

 

[ztc92]

Selfishly, I'd love to see some balance point testing. I'm not sure what the best way to do it is, but mount different cans on the same rifle setup or various setups and find the point where it balances and measure from the butt.

I think that comparison would be interesting for how the rifle carries.

I had actually hoped to do this with the 3 cans I have but I forgot about it after shooting. I’ll see if I can do something like this later this week.

 

[ztc92]

Thanks for posting these and "showing" rather than "telling". It really sounds to me like the OG is the only can with any TING sound based on these videos. And also sounds louder than the Scythe. Understand the video audio doesn't capture reality perfectly but I'm curious if you can say more on this.

I don’t personally feel the videos do a very good job but it’s the best I can do to contribute at present. In watching the videos again, I do notice the very first shot of the OG seems to have a higher pitch “ting” than subsequent shots. Perhaps that is something like first round pop?

It should also be noted that the other two cans have homemade wraps that include carbon felt, silicone tape and coban. Additionally, the scythe has a smaller bore end cap.

I can say in the 150+ rounds I shot with it I didn’t notice the “ting” sound being described and that I do hear with first round in the video. When attending the S2H course, the DD STi cans as well as one of the SC Banish cans had the worst “ting” I’ve ever heard. Many shooters there were legitimately annoyed by it and I think one shooter actually changed cans after a few days to negate it. It’s almost like nails on a chalk board to my ears. My scythe had this “ting” when shooting without the DIY wrap, which was the main reason I added a wrap, actually.

Compared to the cans I’ve heard at the S2H course with a prominent, annoying “ting”, and even compared to my scythe without the wrap, the prototype OG can has minimal to no “ting” and a deeper, more pleasing tone overall.

Edit to add: I think I need to make a similar style wrap and then shoot the OG against them again, or shoot all cans bare in order for this to really be fair. Shooting bare would be a good test of mirage as well, since OG seemed to have less issues than what I recall about the scythe before I added the wrap. I’ll be away for the next week but will try to do this when I get back.

 

[BLJ]

Very general question about suppressed rifles. I have no experience with centerfire suppressors.

Does everyone still wear hearing protection (plugs/muffs/both) during comps and range sessions?

For my use case it would a 16” 223 up to a 18” 308.

Is hearing protection still recommended for multiple shot sessions with these rifle/cartridge combos? Thanks.

 

[Tahoe1305]

Very general question about suppressed rifles. I have no experience with centerfire suppressors.

Does everyone still wear hearing protection (plugs/muffs/both) during comps and range sessions?

For my use case it would a 16” 223 up to a 18” 308.

Is hearing protection still recommended for multiple shot sessions with these rifle/cartridge combos? Thanks.

Yes. It’s cheap insurance. Hearing is important. I’ve maybe not worn a time or two and my ears don’t ring after but that isn’t a good indicator….worth it to wear.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I see some folks are saying Unknown needs to be more price-competitive, but in looking at OTB 30cal cans, the AB Raptor 8 is $950.00, the Griffin PSR is $1016.00, and the OG is $999.00. Seems like they are priced in the ballpark.

It will still cost manufacturers to build them, so even if they are removed from the NFA, I doubt that production costs will suddenly drop, and the price of every suppressor will decrease just because more folks might want one.

I fail to understand why people get hung up on the $200.00 tax stamp; yes, I dislike it, but my hearing protection is worth the money to me. The most significant pain point has been the wait times, but that is no longer an issue at this point. I just bought a can today, and my paperwork was approved 4 hours later. I can pick up my can tomorrow.

The cans are expensive because they are controlled items that are currently buy it for life. Yes, if everyone can suddenly buy one, that will increase demand, but it will also create a second hand market.

Additionally, the $200 stamp artificially inflates the price making low end suppressors seem less desirable. If you have to buy a $200 stamp, that actually makes the $1000 suppressor seem like you are getting more for your money.

In countries where these aren’t controlled items, suppressors are a lot cheaper.

Finally, because the customer is basically stuck with it once it is purchased, the seller has more leverage. Knowledge of which ones are best is currently limited and to some extent controlled. If one of these is well-marketed but ultimately disappointing, there are a ton of people currently stuck with it.

A market with less restrictions will be more competitive.


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[Reburn]

Very general question about suppressed rifles. I have no experience with centerfire suppressors.

Does everyone still wear hearing protection (plugs/muffs/both) during comps and range sessions?

For my use case it would a 16” 223 up to a 18” 308.

Is hearing protection still recommended for multiple shot sessions with these rifle/cartridge combos? Thanks.

Yes but instead of wearing in ear and over ear protection like I do for bare muzzles I wear just in ear or sometimes my beats in ears and listen to music while im shooting.

Even if a can is hearing safe its cheap insurace to not damage your hearing.

Worth noting, I dont shoot at public ranges and I dont shoot with people that shoot unsupressed. If I had to I would still wear dual ear protection.