Unknown Gnat/Midge 16” 223 heat?

[TimberHunter]

Can anyone with experience comment on how fast these suppressors heat up and show mirage on 223 bolt guns?


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[naked wombats]

Following. I've been eyeing one for a T1x, but having the option for limited 223 use is also appealing.

 

[TimberHunter]

Following. I've been eyeing one for a T1x, but having the option for limited 223 use is also appealing.

I have seen others say “limited” use on 223. But after reading that they fired 100 223 rounds as fast as possible, I’m not sure why they used the word limited


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[naked wombats]

I have seen others say “limited” use on 223. But after reading that they fired 100 223 rounds as fast as possible, I’m not sure why they used the word limited


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I suspect its to keep the guys who only see 223 and want to toss it on an AR and abuse it.

I showed a buddy my nano and first thing out of his mouth was "well, if you cant mag dump, why?"

Totally missed the point, I have 15oz cans for that kinda use.

 

[Formidilosus]

I have seen others say “limited” use on 223. But after reading that they fired 100 223 rounds as fast as possible, I’m not sure why they used the word limited


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Because it wasn’t fully tested for 223 use. There is a test procedure that US uses for their cans, and the 22LR cans weren’t tested for it. So, they won’t say what the limits are.

One was used in a class and a half of S2H this year. It was a prototype that was used for burn downs, and still went 1,200 plus rounds on a 21” 223. The end cap did fail on that prototype- that is not the same as the production, but it took 100 round burn downs, a 90 round stress event, and 1,200 plus rounds of 223 to do it.

I would have little hesitation in using it in a 223 for normal hunting and normal range use.

 

[TimberHunter]

Because it wasn’t fully tested for 223 use. There is a test procedure that US uses for their cans, and the 22LR cans weren’t tested for it. So, they won’t say what the limits are.

One was used in a class and a half of S2H this year. It was a prototype that was used for burn downs, and still went 1,200 plus rounds on a 21” 223. The end cap did fail on that prototype- that is not the same as the production, but it took 100 round burn downs, a 90 round stress event, and 1,200 plus rounds of 223 to do it.

I would have little hesitation in using it in a 223 for normal hunting and normal range use.

Sold. Thanks for the feedback


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[Deadspace]

Good to know. I just filled out the paperwork for one yesterday.

 

[Sully_44]

Because it wasn’t fully tested for 223 use. There is a test procedure that US uses for their cans, and the 22LR cans weren’t tested for it. So, they won’t say what the limits are.

One was used in a class and a half of S2H this year. It was a prototype that was used for burn downs, and still went 1,200 plus rounds on a 21” 223. The end cap did fail on that prototype- that is not the same as the production, but it took 100 round burn downs, a 90 round stress event, and 1,200 plus rounds of 223 to do it.

I would have little hesitation in using it in a 223 for normal hunting and normal range use.

Form, what’s the difference between the two? I guess, what is each of their pros and cons? And would you use one on a 22 creed?

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Form, what’s the difference between the two? I guess, what is each of their pros and cons? And would you use one on a 22 creed?

The two what? The midge and the gnat? They are both 22lr designed cans that can tolerate some 223. Maybe they can tolerate 22creed as you're asking but even if they could I would wonder how well the sound performance actually is at that point. I'd tend to think buy something a bit more suited to 22creed even if its a bit larger/heavier/etc. if that is what you want to shoot and don't push it in terms of your ears. I could be off base here but that's my impression.

Form's comment above was about the structural integrity the way I read it and the context of the discussion. Maybe its decent for sound levels on a bolt 223 also but I'd explicitly clarify that versus merely assuming his comment also meant hearing safe 223 (esp. with some margin). Maybe I'm misreading your intent of the reply but I can see folks jumping to that conclusion and then if its functional but loud on 223 bitching about it case "form said so" when that isn't explicitly what he said above.

 

[Sully_44]

The two what? The midge and the gnat? They are both 22lr designed cans that can tolerate some 223. Maybe they can tolerate 22creed as you're asking but even if they could I would wonder how well the sound performance actually is at that point. I'd tend to think buy something a bit more suited to 22creed even if its a bit larger/heavier/etc. if that is what you want to shoot and don't push it in terms of your ears. I could be off base here but that's my impression.

Form's comment above was about the structural integrity the way I read it and the context of the discussion. Maybe it’s decent for sound levels on a bolt 223 also but I'd explicitly clarify that versus merely assuming his comment also meant hearing safe 223 (esp. with some margin). Maybe I'm misreading your intent of the reply but I can see folks jumping to that conclusion and then if its functional but loud on 223 bitching about it case "form said so" when that isn't explicitly what he said above.

You assumed correct. I see that they are marketed and built as 22 lr cans. I’m just wondering if they could handle a 22 creed. I’m interested in them not necessarily to be hearing safe at the shooter, but rather taking the edge off to not blow out a canyon when shooting at an animal. To be clear, I don’t understand cans all that well to begin with. I just got my first a couple weeks ago. I’m just brainstorming to start building an ultra light deer gun in 22 creed and was curious.

 

[TradLife406]

You assumed correct. I see that they are marketed and built as 22 lr cans. I’m just wondering if they could handle a 22 creed. I’m interested in them not necessarily to be hearing safe at the shooter, but rather taking the edge off to not blow out a canyon when shooting at an animal. To be clear, I don’t understand cans all that well to begin with. I just got my first a couple weeks ago. I’m just brainstorming to start building an ultra light deer gun in 22 creed and was curious.

I think if you wanted a 22lr-22 Creed can then that new T&K can.
Honestly there's an Airlock Nano on my kids Savage rascal and I've used it a little on my 22 pistol. Then it does really good on the 22 Creed.

 

[TradLife406]

I think if you wanted a 22lr-22 Creed can then that new T&K can.
Honestly there's an Airlock Nano on my kids Savage rascal and I've used it a little on my 22 pistol. Then it does really good on the 22 Creed.

The real answer is to own a gnat, two nanos and a Rok 22 and a Griffin 22 can. Well that Griffin low key sucks because of the special o rings that have to be replaced at every cleaning. But dedicated a can to each gun is ideal. But I'm definitely not qualified on giving financial advice But if you want help spending money...

 

[Sully_44]

I think if you wanted a 22lr-22 Creed can then that new T&K can.
Honestly there's an Airlock Nano on my kids Savage rascal and I've used it a little on my 22 pistol. Then it does really good on the 22 Creed.

The nano you like on your creed? The can I have is the 6.5 from Airlock on my 6 creed and I really like it so far.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

You assumed correct. I see that they are marketed and built as 22 lr cans. I’m just wondering if they could handle a 22 creed. I’m interested in them not necessarily to be hearing safe at the shooter, but rather taking the edge off to not blow out a canyon when shooting at an animal. To be clear, I don’t understand cans all that well to begin with. I just got my first a couple weeks ago. I’m just brainstorming to start building an ultra light deer gun in 22 creed and was curious.

I’m not the expert but lotta other cans would probably work better for that application, though they’ll weigh a bit more and cost a bit more typically. Not necessarily longer since iirc the midge is 5.5”. I suspect you’re trying to get too much outta what these are. Could be wrong.

 

[Formidilosus]

Form, what’s the difference between the two? I guess, what is each of their pros and cons? And would you use one on a 22 creed?

You assumed correct. I see that they are marketed and built as 22 lr cans. I’m just wondering if they could handle a 22 creed. I’m interested in them not necessarily to be hearing safe at the shooter, but rather taking the edge off to not blow out a canyon when shooting at an animal. To be clear, I don’t understand cans all that well to begin with. I just got my first a couple weeks ago. I’m just brainstorming to start building an ultra light deer gun in 22 creed and was curious.

I don’t know if the 22LR US cans would last on a 22CM, nor how they would suppress- my first thought is not well. I will try to remember to meter one on a 22CM and see if it holds up as well.
With what you are saying you want and what you say you understand- the Airlock Nano is probably where I would lean. It has its limitations, but maybe the best for what you want of what is available.