Trump Admin will ask Congress to eliminate USGS Biological Resources Division

[cuerro viejo]

Did you tell the local BLM office, as the lease holder and (presumably) grazer that you needed more dependable water?

Of course they know, they do the catchment and road maintenance and call it a day. If I already have 17 miles of poly ran to supply water when I need it, there is no reason for them to drill, but if they did, it becomes a distinct difference in lease ability, now any one has ability to lease.

This a fundamental reason state leases typically bring more in the same area then peer BLM, higher probability of a larger state/school lease having a well and lessee accepts maintenance in lease, there for opens up bid process .

 

[Customweld]

Back in the day before the internet and cell phones, non-residents didn’t want to hunt wilderness without a guide. But now with the technology a non-res DIY hunt is feasible. SAR insurance for the Garmin InReach is cheap. I see non-residents from bordering states hunt the Gila Wilderness with their horses. Using a guide-outfitter should be a personal choice. New Mexico is the only state that actually allocates public land tags to outfitters. 10% of the public draw. But I think Wyoming has it right with a 90% 10% split with no outfitter allocations.

Idaho has allocated outfitter tags as well.

 

[LCguy]

States don’t own our wildlife. Countries don’t own the wildlife either. Pelagic fish species migrate around the world. Waterfowl hatched in the tundra end up on private property in Texas. Waterfowl hatched in Siberia, end migrate to Southern California and other SW states. Some Sand hill cranes winter in New Mexico. Elk, etc migrate to the US from Canada. Wildlife has no borders.

Typically states that have over 80% private lands don’t have landowners tags. Those states pay the landowner for public hunting access. Access contracts typically include habitat improvement requirements and easements for wildlife management. Western states need to get a clue. Land owner tags for sale leads to hunting and fishing privatization. The highest bidders get the opportunities to hunt private lands as well as public lands. What eventually happens is very few tags allocated to the public draw for residents and non-residents alike. The draw odds become dismal. Landowner tags are bad mojo for the economy, reduce hunting and fishing opportunity. Wildlife management funding is diverted. Trespass fees roll into private land tags.

The states with the worst privatization also have the worst wildlife management as well as the worst hunting, fishing opportunities. Some of the worst states for privatization are New Mexico and Texas. The best Western state for hunting and fishing opportunity as well as wildlife management is South Dakota. You can’t do any finger pointing here because South Dakota and Texas are Red while New Mexico is Blue.

Robertson-Pittman, Dingell, Great American Outdoors Act, funds wildlife management. There are other Congressional mandates as well.

Totally agreed with you until you compared New Mexico (47.4% public land) to Texas (4.2%) and said South Dakota had better opportunities (8.9%). I go hunting and/or fishing virtually every weekend of the year on public land in New Mexico.

 

[Idaboy]

Back in the day before the internet and cell phones, non-residents didn’t want to hunt wilderness without a guide. But now with the technology a non-res DIY hunt is feasible. SAR insurance for the Garmin InReach is cheap. I see non-residents from bordering states hunt the Gila Wilderness with their horses. Using a guide-outfitter should be a personal choice. New Mexico is the only state that actually allocates public land tags to outfitters. 10% of the public draw. But I think Wyoming has it right with a 90% 10% split with no outfitter allocations.

Agree, my only criticism of the WY issues is that by not having "outfitter tags" they have circumvented that by essentially assuring non residents still hire guides for the wilderness, eg the outfitters still get their business.....not complaining as I haven't tried to accumulate points in WY, so no horse in that race as this time....I will say that law is a deterrent to a nonresident looking to hunt there, but if I were a WY resident that would be fine with it. But if thats how WY wants to run it, then so be it......getting off topic of the OP, sorry.....to OP thank you for posting this thread

 

[juju]

I’m in the tax billionaires crowd personally. I understand not everyone agrees with that but programs that we all care about get cut when we could tax billionaires while cutting taxes for people like all of us that don’t make that money. A billion dollars is an absolutely insane amount of money. Also if you look at the way the pattern in the debt to income ratio, it’s clear that the debt to income ratio was declining all the way until the first Reagan tax cuts. I was not alive when those things occurred so I have no way to argue it, but looking at the data from .gov shows the debt to income ratio was declining all the way until 1980. It’s very odd to look at the data and see the pattern and see people still arguing for tax cuts for billionaires, but I wasn’t alive so I don’t understand the context.

Income tax was originally sold to voters as only applying to the rich. Common sense should have told everyone that the rich are the only ones who can afford to make ways to get out of paying tax. The lower classes are the ones who can't afford to defend themselves. That's how and why the middle class gets hit so hard. We would have the resources to fight back except they take it from us via tax.

Usually these things are forest, tree arguments. With government is landfill, garbage. You can't fix something with a scalpel when it's so thoroughly riddled with some many different cancers. It's either that or another empire falls under the weight of its own bureaucratic hypertrophy.

There is no pretty solution. There is no option without loss. There's no path that won't suck.

 

[Chrisamx]

States don’t own our wildlife. Countries don’t own the wildlife either. Pelagic fish species migrate around the world. Waterfowl hatched in the tundra end up on private property in Texas. Waterfowl hatched in Siberia, end migrate to Southern California and other SW states. Some Sand hill cranes winter in New Mexico. Elk, etc migrate to the US from Canada. Wildlife has no borders.

Typically states that have over 80% private lands don’t have landowners tags. Those states pay the landowner for public hunting access. Access contracts typically include habitat improvement requirements and easements for wildlife management. Western states need to get a clue. Land owner tags for sale leads to hunting and fishing privatization. The highest bidders get the opportunities to hunt private lands as well as public lands. What eventually happens is very few tags allocated to the public draw for residents and non-residents alike. The draw odds become dismal. Landowner tags are bad mojo for the economy, reduce hunting and fishing opportunity. Wildlife management funding is diverted. Trespass fees roll into private land tags.

The states with the worst privatization also have the worst wildlife management as well as the worst hunting, fishing opportunities. Some of the worst states for privatization are New Mexico and Texas. The best Western state for hunting and fishing opportunity as well as wildlife management is South Dakota. You can’t do any finger pointing here because South Dakota and Texas are Red while New Mexico is Blue.

Robertson-Pittman, Dingell, Great American Outdoors Act, funds wildlife management. There are other Congressional mandates as well.

Wildlife in California is considered a public resource, owned by the state and managed by the California Department of Fish and Wildlife (CDFW). This agency is responsible for the conservation and management of the state's wildlife and habitats.

 

[Pony Soldier]

Same in Montana

 

[cuerro viejo]

States don’t own our wildlife. Countries don’t own the wildlife either. Pelagic fish species migrate around the world. Waterfowl hatched in the tundra end up on private property in Texas. Waterfowl hatched in Siberia, end migrate to Southern California and other SW states. Some Sand hill cranes winter in New Mexico. Elk, etc migrate to the US from Canada. Wildlife has no borders.

Typically states that have over 80% private lands don’t have landowners tags. Those states pay the landowner for public hunting access. Access contracts typically include habitat improvement requirements and easements for wildlife management. Western states need to get a clue. Land owner tags for sale leads to hunting and fishing privatization. The highest bidders get the opportunities to hunt private lands as well as public lands. What eventually happens is very few tags allocated to the public draw for residents and non-residents alike. The draw odds become dismal. Landowner tags are bad mojo for the economy, reduce hunting and fishing opportunity. Wildlife management funding is diverted. Trespass fees roll into private land tags.

The states with the worst privatization also have the worst wildlife management as well as the worst hunting, fishing opportunities. Some of the worst states for privatization are New Mexico and Texas. The best Western state for hunting and fishing opportunity as well as wildlife management is South Dakota. You can’t do any finger pointing here because South Dakota and Texas are Red while New Mexico is Blue.

Robertson-Pittman, Dingell, Great American Outdoors Act, funds wildlife management. There are other Congressional mandates as well.

I fundamentally disagree with your assessment of LO tags, buying tolerance is the only way to keep critical private winter habitat open and agricultural loss tolerance.

And the 1929 reintroductex Texas elk is a perfect example, the numbers are growing, why? There is no season, no bag limit, no MEANS restrictions, hell you can hunt them with thermal at night or helicopter…. Yet they are growing. Why?

If there was no money in them, every time they stepped into a position of competition with livestock or crops a depredation tag by the Agricultural department would be issued

 

[KurtR]

States don’t own our wildlife. Countries don’t own the wildlife either. Pelagic fish species migrate around the world. Waterfowl hatched in the tundra end up on private property in Texas. Waterfowl hatched in Siberia, end migrate to Southern California and other SW states. Some Sand hill cranes winter in New Mexico. Elk, etc migrate to the US from Canada. Wildlife has no borders.

Typically states that have over 80% private lands don’t have landowners tags. Those states pay the landowner for public hunting access. Access contracts typically include habitat improvement requirements and easements for wildlife management. Western states need to get a clue. Land owner tags for sale leads to hunting and fishing privatization. The highest bidders get the opportunities to hunt private lands as well as public lands. What eventually happens is very few tags allocated to the public draw for residents and non-residents alike. The draw odds become dismal. Landowner tags are bad mojo for the economy, reduce hunting and fishing opportunity. Wildlife management funding is diverted. Trespass fees roll into private land tags.

The states with the worst privatization also have the worst wildlife management as well as the worst hunting, fishing opportunities. Some of the worst states for privatization are New Mexico and Texas. The best Western state for hunting and fishing opportunity as well as wildlife management is South Dakota. You can’t do any finger pointing here because South Dakota and Texas are Red while New Mexico is Blue.

Robertson-Pittman, Dingell, Great American Outdoors Act, funds wildlife management. There are other Congressional mandates as well.

Do you live in South Dakota?

 

[Gila]

Left SD to become permanent “snow bird” about ten years ago…”Less Snowbird” is probably more accurate. We get snow down here but not very much. No blizzards and no below zero weather. South Dakota’s public hunting access on private lands programs has over a million acres now. Most of the Pronghorn hunting and much of the mule deer hunting is in private lands programs that allow public hunting. I know some of the residents are complaining about higher license fees. That is because they are continually expanding their public hunting access on private lands. I keep buying preference points.

 

[cubdriver84d]

Some good info in this podcast. Specific to waterfowl but a lot of points apply across wildlife science and management. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...nagement-at-risk/id1503110007?i=1000704432466

 

[cubdriver84d]

More info for those that are interested: https://wildlife.org/usgs-cuts-would-jeopardize-leading-wildlife-research/

 

[2buffalo]

More info for those that are interested: https://wildlife.org/usgs-cuts-would-jeopardize-leading-wildlife-research/

Real credible bunch....lmfao

Animal Extremists Allowed Seat at Scientific Conference - Sportsmen's Alliance

The Wildlife Society to allow Humane Society of United States, Center for Biological Diversity, Defenders of Wildlife, Wildlife For All and Others to Host

sportsmensalliance.org

 

[cubdriver84d]

Real credible bunch....lmfao

Animal Extremists Allowed Seat at Scientific Conference - Sportsmen's Alliance

The Wildlife Society to allow Humane Society of United States, Center for Biological Diversity, Defenders of Wildlife, Wildlife For All and Others to Host

sportsmensalliance.org

That article is a little inflammatory. The Wildlife Society meetings are still sponsored by the big hunting orgs, like DU, RMEF, DSC, etc. But, if you feel like that one article doesn't make them credible, you can listen to the duck hunting podcast I posted before and get basically the same information.

 

[chowtownsfinest]

Following the Project 2025 playbook. No one should be surprised.

 

[wyosam]

Completely gutted. Should be hitting the news soon. Vast majority at biological services getting canned.


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[cubdriver84d]

Completely gutted. Should be hitting the news soon. Vast majority at biological services getting canned.


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Thousands of layoffs to hit Interior, National Parks imminently

Employees fear diminished capacity after RIFs are tacked on to existing mass exodus.

www.govexec.com

 

[wyosam]

Look like deep cuts all across DOI. My wife’s program is getting the axe.


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[CJ19]

Thousands of layoffs to hit Interior, National Parks imminently

Employees fear diminished capacity after RIFs are tacked on to existing mass exodus.

www.govexec.com

why is it that everytime i click on an article, the source that is cited in the article is a "conservation" group that listed green energy development of public lands as 1 of its primary goals? Its almost as though big conservation and big government have different ideas for public land use than I do.

Priority Issues — Public Lands Foundation

publicland.org

 

[cubdriver84d]

why is it that everytime i click on an article, the source that is cited in the article is a "conservation" group that listed green energy development of public lands as 1 of its primary goals? Its almost as though big conservation and big government have different ideas for public land use than I do.

Priority Issues — Public Lands Foundation

publicland.org

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Not sure where you're seeing that. There are only other govexec and a doi page referenced in the article I linked.