The Shoot2hunt Podcast

[Formidilosus]

4 Elk 4 minutes

What was the rifle that malfunctioned? Why did it malfunction?

Remington based rifle in the truck cold, rode in truck for 1.5 hours, heated up and sweated
a bit, taken outside in cold, very humid weather, light frost accumulates. Light strike on primer- from what I saw of it of 25% to 50% depth of strike on the primer, then rifle functioned fine. That little bit of frost from being cold/got/cold will cause the trigger to not work or get a click that clears the tiny bit of frost, and/or clear the firing pin of the same.

It is what is consistently seen with Remington R700 based triggers and actions. People claim nonstop it doesn’t happen, and yet every single year it happens to people in front of me that swore beforehand it wasn’t a real thing. Ryan has sat beside me on three separate occasions with someone saying that R700 triggers and actions are just as reliable as any other and that it has never happened to them, for it to happen the very first time they go to shoot an animal in front of us. Either people don’t actually hunt in “weather” that much, or they have selective memory.

 

[Tom-D]

Hey can i ask what the reasoning is behind shooting on the T of 2 on the count down and not 1?

 

[Chris_in_Idaho]

Hey can i ask what the reasoning is behind shooting on the T of 2 on the count down and not 1?

Probably some sort of Jedi mind trick to make you flinch less than going on 1. And then there's the whole "do we shoot on 1 or 0?"

 

[Dobermann]

Probably some sort of Jedi mind trick to make you flinch less than going on 1. And then there's the whole "do we shoot on 1 or 0?"

There's an idea that some might have used this in the 'Wild West' during shootouts. No idea if true or not. But the idea finds its way into some modern stories.

Doubt that's why Form does it, but there's some trivia for you ...

 

[Dobermann]

Finally got to listen to the Shot Show episode.

Ryan and Jake: "There wasn't too much interesting this year. I kept hoping to see something that would really excite me."

All the while, they're walking around Shot Show with the RokStok strapped to a pack ... one of the most exciting things that could happen for shooting this year.

 

[DangerRanger]

Finally got to listen to the Shot Show episode.

Ryan and Jake: "There wasn't too much interesting this year. I kept hoping to see something that would really excite me."

All the while, they're walking around Shot Show with the RokStok strapped to a pack ... one of the most exciting things that could happen for shooting this year.

And I’ve seen exactly zero YouTube videos about it. Which is a damned shame.

 

[wind gypsy]

Came across 2 other m700 trigger fun threads recently:
https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...more-reliable-triggers.7207352/#post-11416497

Trigger Tech Diamond: Do they honor their warranty.

I have two Rim X rifles both with Trigger Tech Diamond two stage triggers. I started having issues with the one that is 6 months old. The trigger was going off upon closing the bolt. It did not send a round down the pipe but it did decock. It occurred about once every 15 rounds and was more...

www.snipershide.com

I wonder how many of these issues are exacerbated by ultra light pull weights and triggers interfacing with the countless # of different manufacturer's bolts differently. I don't know at all but have a gut feeling the factory triggers should be a little more reliable than these ultra low pull weight aftermarket models?

 

[atmat]

Came across 2 other m700 trigger fun threads recently:
https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...more-reliable-triggers.7207352/#post-11416497

Trigger Tech Diamond: Do they honor their warranty.

I have two Rim X rifles both with Trigger Tech Diamond two stage triggers. I started having issues with the one that is 6 months old. The trigger was going off upon closing the bolt. It did not send a round down the pipe but it did decock. It occurred about once every 15 rounds and was more...

www.snipershide.com

I wonder how many of these issues are exacerbated by ultra light pull weights and triggers interfacing with the countless # of different manufacturer's bolts differently. I don't know at all but have a gut feeling the factory triggers should be a little more reliable than these ultra low pull weight aftermarket models?

That’s weird, I heard this issue is limited only to Rokslide

 

[wind gypsy]

That’s weird, I heard this issue is limited only to Rokslide

Read of a couple AI trigger failures recently as well so it's not like m700 triggers are the only ones that fail and nobody has ever had a light primer strike with a tikka. I 100% buy that they are more failure prone i just wonder how much of it may be exacerbated by the focus on trigger feel and pull weight and variable interface with different bolt assemblies beyond just any shortcomings of m700 design.

 

[Harvey_NW]

Read of a couple AI trigger failures recently as well so it's not like m700 triggers are the only ones that fail and nobody has ever had a light primer strike with a tikka. I 100% buy that they are more failure prone i just wonder how much of it may be exacerbated by the focus on trigger feel and pull weight and variable interface with different bolt assemblies beyond just any shortcomings of m700 design.

The only situation I've seen with Tikka is from not cleaning the factory grease out of the firing pin spring.

 

[Carl Ross]

I wonder how many of these issues are exacerbated by ultra light pull weights and triggers interfacing with the countless # of different manufacturer's bolts differently. I don't know at all but have a gut feeling the factory triggers should be a little more reliable than these ultra low pull weight aftermarket models?

My experience, fwiw.

15-20 years ago I mostly used factory 700 triggers, adjusted by me. I don't recall any failures to fire, but I definitely had issues with firing pins falling without touching the trigger. I tested them by bouncing them on the buttstock, but they clearly had issues, I'm lucky I never had an issue in the field instead of just at the range. This definitely pushed me to try some aftermarket options.

In recent memory, I had one 700 trigger frost up in cold weather to the point it wouldn't go off, thawed it out in the truck and it was fine. I think it was a Timney Calvin. Last year I had a TT Diamond quit working after a dust storm, it started working again after we flushed it with lighter fluid. (Fortunately the MD of that match had lighter fluid, as the same thing happened to him a couple months before). Just those two that I can recall, I would say I've had fewer issues then with them on average than I've observed with my peers.

I've never had an issue with a Tikka trigger, but I probably only have like 8,000 live rounds on them, less experience overall for certain.

I have heard of the issues with the Comp version of the AI triggers, but I have relatively little experience in that world.

 

[wind gypsy]

My experience, fwiw.

15-20 years ago I mostly used factory 700 triggers, adjusted by me. I don't recall any failures to fire, but I definitely had issues with firing pins falling without touching the trigger. I tested them by bouncing them on the buttstock, but they clearly had issues, I'm lucky I never had an issue in the field instead of just at the range. This definitely pushed me to try some aftermarket options.

In recent memory, I had one 700 trigger frost up in cold weather to the point it wouldn't go off, thawed it out in the truck and it was fine. I think it was a Timney Calvin. Last year I had a TT Diamond quit working after a dust storm, it started working again after we flushed it with lighter fluid. (Fortunately the MD of that match had lighter fluid, as the same thing happened to him a couple months before). Just those two that I can recall, I would say I've had fewer issues then with them on average than I've observed with my peers.

I've never had an issue with a Tikka trigger, but I probably only have like 8,000 live rounds on them, less experience overall for certain.

I have heard of the issues with the Comp version of the AI triggers, but I have relatively little experience in that world.

Do you do any routine flushing of your 700 triggers to avoid issue? My TT diamond started feeling a little off last time at the range and got me wondering if I should do anything for preventative maint.

 

[Formidilosus]

Came across 2 other m700 trigger fun threads recently:
https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...more-reliable-triggers.7207352/#post-11416497

Trigger Tech Diamond: Do they honor their warranty.

I have two Rim X rifles both with Trigger Tech Diamond two stage triggers. I started having issues with the one that is 6 months old. The trigger was going off upon closing the bolt. It did not send a round down the pipe but it did decock. It occurred about once every 15 rounds and was more...

www.snipershide.com

I wonder how many of these issues are exacerbated by ultra light pull weights and triggers interfacing with the countless # of different manufacturer's bolts differently. I don't know at all but have a gut feeling the factory triggers should be a little more reliable than these ultra low pull weight aftermarket models?

What R700 factory triggers? Remington? If so, no- most/all of the popular R700 triggers are better than factory. The issue is 100% the trigger/sear design. The Geissele and Tubb are better, but they still have issues.

Anything and everything will fail if taken far enough. AI is a good example/ they went from probably the most reliable trigger and bolt action rifle ever, to a failure prone trigger because they wanted to play in PRS. Tikka’s with a lighter trigger springs also are more prone to issues than factory ones.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Total side note but Mason is having a 6UM built on a Tikka

 

[Formidilosus]

Total side note but Mason is having a 6UM built on a Tikka

Haha. In the moment, you hear what people really think.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Just like with the scope drop it’s about eliminating variables… the 700 trigger is an easy one for me to eliminate.

 

[sveltri]

Just like with the scope drop it’s about eliminating variables… the 700 trigger is an easy one for me to eliminate.

#tikka

 

[Carl Ross]

Do you do any routine flushing of your 700 triggers to avoid issue? My TT diamond started feeling a little off last time at the range and got me wondering if I should do anything for preventative maint.

I don't, and other than the mentioned instance I haven't felt the need too, their feel and function has remained consistent. If one started feeling different, I'd flush it.

 

[Formidilosus]

Do you do any routine flushing of your 700 triggers to avoid issue? My TT diamond started feeling a little off last time at the range and got me wondering if I should do anything for preventative maint.

When I do anything serious with R700 based guns, they get flushed regularly in normal use, and every morning/night of real use. I also carry with me a small bottle of lighter fluid to flush in use, and a small can of spray deicer (for car door locks).

 

[Ryan Avery]

When I do anything serious with R700 based guns, they get flushed regularly in normal use, and every morning/night of real use. I also carry with me a small bottle of lighter fluid to flush in use, and a small can of spray deicer (for car door locks).

I would have needed a blow torch to unthaw the Jewell that ****** me out of a giant moose in N. Idaho.