The response Jake and Ryan asked for concerning "why not use vulgarity?"

[GSPHUNTER]

Is there a Readers Digest version?

 

[WRO]

If this site allowed swearing, every post I made would contain a minimum of 3 swear words.

They fuckkin do


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[KenLee]

If I had to hunt off my belly with a SWFA topped Tikka, I'd swear...alot.

 

[WRO]

Ha, I can't listen to it because I have kids in the car almost all the time when I'm not actively working.

But obviously didn't feel compelled to reach out about it.

I've also noticed if I listen to stuff with lots of swearing, I start swearing.

My kids are got season passes to the mountain on my cussing alone.

I just am happy to make it through a meeting without an f bomb.

 

[LongWayAround]

I couldn't be less interested.

I hope they stay the same. It's a nice change from overly censored language.

 

[nagibson1]

There are probably lots of things we all tolerate that we don't agree with. Everything is a mixture. But an all or nothing approach is the last virtuous option. Mediating actions of cooperation are preferable, and then negotiated tolerance in that cooperation.
The "if you don't like it, don't listen" is a reasonable sentiment for private content. But it may be that guys like Ryan and Jake do want those that don't love the constant profanity and won't listen to listen. Ryan and Jake may not agree with: "If you don't like my F-bombs, I don't want to bring you valuable content or get your business." Though I think they want myself and others to tolerate their profanity. Good men negotiate with reason and find terms to accept each other without coercive conformity.

For me, I'm just taking Ryan and Jake seriously. Jake seemed to genuinely feel that there was no good argument for not using profanity normally that he was aware of. He also issued a genuine, friendly challenge to someone to send him one. I take him at his word. And given his leadership of UM, I know he is a serious person that believes in excellence. So I tried to make something that could serve him and others. It only took me a couple hours- like it would take a lot of you a couple hours to do a brake job, and me 2 days.

I find that "conservative" arguments are always more complicated than progressive, libertarian or libertine arguments, and so they take longer to formulate and clarify. Maybe I'll do a 6th grade reding level AI version that is no more than 3 pages, and see if you like that- we could even do it in Grok unhinged. That would have some irony. 13 pages is nothing when clarifying complex moral questions.

 

[timekiller13]

I’m currently working on my masters in Nursing. I write long papers all the time about some dumb stuff.

If I was asked to write 13 pages about using less profanity, i would just quit. I couldn’t write 13 sentences on that. And I once wrote a 30 page paper on how to effectively write a paper.

 

[wind gypsy]

I'm not even sure of how many 13 pagers, if any, I wrote in college. Let alone single spaced.

You wrote papers in college?

 

[BLJ]

construction and swear myself - but the constant profanity wore me down to the point I could not dig the value of the podcast out of the noise.

The Exo guys do a great job at keeping the language family friendly

Agree with both.

 

[Hnthrdr]

You wrote papers in college?

You went to college?

 

[svivian]

And I once wrote a 30 page paper on how to effectively write a paper.

Username checks out...

 

[KurtR]

First thing is what is a swear word. Some people think gosh darn is getting just a little profane.

 

[Mvaughan]

I literally give zero effs what they say

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Profanity doesn’t bother me, but it definitely means I don’t listen to them if my daughter can hear them.

I worked for a colonel in the Marines who could give the same “welcome to our training program” speech with or without profanity. If there was a single female in the audience, there was no swearing. If it was an all male audience, he dropped f-bombs at the cyclic rate.

I just want them to stop talking about food and mules.


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[yfarm]

I view profanity as a verbal exclamation point, to enhance a statement. I begin to become fatigued when it becomes an adjective or adverb in every sentence. It loses its effect when used routinely in every sentence, becomes verbal laziness. You lose your audience. If your message is effective or important to your audience it is unneccessary.

 

[menhaden_man]

Good thing is we have LLMs now to make points whichever way we want in a matter of seconds. We are all pros at everything now.

Just asked Grok to make the argument for cussing and it is pretty convincing. I'd like to hear Jake read this on the Podcast, if nothing else to see if he can read all those $10 words in there.


Research in psychology and linguistics indicates that profanity functions as an effective mechanism for emotional expression within communication. Swear words excel at transmitting intense emotions, including anger, frustration, or surprise, which conventional language may not convey with equivalent immediacy and strength (Jay and Janschewitz, 2008). Studies suggest that the core role of swearing involves articulating emotions that could otherwise stay unexpressed, thus promoting a more genuine interaction among participants (Husain et al., 2023). This release of emotions can improve mutual comprehension by clearly indicating the speaker's authentic emotional condition, thereby minimizing uncertainty in critical exchanges. Moreover, neurophysiological data shows that profanity triggers arousal reactions, such as elevated heart rate and skin conductance, emphasizing its capacity to intensify the communicative influence of a statement (Jay and Janschewitz, 2008).

Profanity is additionally linked to impressions of honesty and credibility, enhancing its utility in scenarios where trust is essential. Empirical research has identified favorable connections between swearing and perceived sincerity, with those employing profane language often regarded as more direct and less prone to using indirect or misleading terms (Feldman et al., 2017). This view arises from the breach of social norms associated with profanity, which can counterintuitively denote authenticity by showing a readiness to bypass etiquette for candid articulation (Husain et al., 2023). In both professional and casual environments, this genuineness can build rapport and support more transparent discussions, as listeners might see swear words as evidence of the speaker's dedication to openness (Husain et al., 2023).

In addition to emotional and perceptual advantages, profanity can boost persuasiveness and foster social connections in interactions. Examinations of digital platforms, like social media, demonstrate that communications featuring swear words frequently garner higher engagement and sway, as they amplify the apparent urgency or focus of the material (Husain et al., 2023). Furthermore, within group settings, collective profanity usage can reinforce cohesion among members by cultivating a feeling of fellowship and common standards, especially in demanding contexts such as occupational or collaborative teams (Husain et al., 2023). Although reliant on situational factors, these processes highlight how profanity, when applied thoughtfully, can improve communication's overall efficacy by rendering it more impactful and interpersonal (Jay and Janschewitz, 2008).

Literature Cited

Feldman, G., Lian, H., Kosinski, M., & Stillwell, D. (2017). Frankly, we do give a damn: The relationship between profanity and honesty. Social Psychological and Personality Science, 8(7), 816-826. https://doi.org/10.1177/1948550616681055

Husain, W., Wasif, S., & Fatima, I. (2023). Profanity as a self-defense mechanism and an outlet for emotional catharsis in stress, anxiety, and depression. Depression Research and Treatment, 2023, Article 8821517. https://doi.org/10.1155/2023/8821517

Jay, T. B., & Janschewitz, K. (2008). The pragmatics of swearing. Journal of Politeness Research, 4(2), 267-288. https://doi.org/10.1515/JPLR.2008.013

 

[Jimmy]

What about people that don't think they are swearing because they use different words like heck and frick. Is that still swearing?

 

[lil' bear]

If you get offended by the sounds of air passing through my throat and flapping my vocal chords, that says more about who you are as a person than it's says about me.

Teach your kids that words cannot be bad. Sounds don't hurt people. Actions do.

 

[bozeman]

Yeah, I'll pass all day long on a podcast where people cannot articulate more than one thought without vulgar language. Too many options to choose from to listen to it. Had an old coach who would say, 'if you cant get the point across without cussing, your a very poor communicator'. He didnt have to use vulgarity to get his point across. I think it has to do a lot with one's confidence in what they are saying and the amount of respect people have for them. Just my .02.

ChatGPT will also make a good case to NOT use vulgar language.

 

[IdahoBeav]

I don't mind profanity in the right setting. I find myself not using it most of the time because I work in a professional setting where it's generally frowned upon, and we don't swear at home since the kids may pick it up and get in trouble using it at school. I do find it annoying when people don't read the room and turn it off when appropriate. If you are having a meeting with prospective clients that happen to be Mormon, it is nice when your colleagues are not swearing.

As for not being offended by words, there are very few that can genuinely claim this. I get a chuckle out of the people that will call others "snowflakes" and then lose their mind if someone else insults their religion, flag, country, etc.