The resident short game. Long term consequences?

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Even if we loose non res hunting support and money it won’t financially break us. Our states make more revenue on eco tourism, biking, fishing and skiing. We will just move the money around to compensate. Most residents of western states are not going to pine over the loss of non resident hunters. Our resources are limited.
If NR hunters couldn‘t shoot horned animals you wouldn’t bother coming here anyway. How many NR‘s would pay all that money to shoot a cow,doe or ewe? It’s all about the trophy horns IMO.
There’s probably a number of people who enjoy doe and cow tags. I’ve done a few Wyoming trips exclusively for doe pronghorn; I just enjoy the experience. Buck/doe doesn’t matter. For the record - I won’t be filling any doe tags until they bounce back up there. first elk hunt was a cow tag in New Mexico - back then NR could draw cow tags. Is what it is
 
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Even if we loose non res hunting support and money it won’t financially break us. Our states make more revenue on eco tourism, biking, fishing and skiing. We will just move the money around to compensate. Most residents of western states are not going to pine over the loss of non resident hunters. Our resources are limited.
If NR hunters couldn‘t shoot horned animals you wouldn’t bother coming here anyway. How many NR‘s would pay all that money to shoot a cow,doe or ewe? It’s all about the trophy horns IMO.
If NR’s didn’t buy up the 12k Idaho elk tags, they’d be sold to residents at NR prices in under 2 weeks.
 
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That might be the writing on the wall. If they are making more revenue off eco tourism, biking, fishing, and skiing, where will they focus resources?

You think they will pull resources from that to fund hunting?
Honestly do not know. But how much money is really needed to fund hunting? The biologists, wardens and administration are one aspect. The animals and the land is there. How much from NR licenses actually goes back into wildlife specific funding vrs state general fund? In the last two decades it seems there are ten times more eco tourist here in MT, WY and ID than hunters,
 
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My group are all non residents and we keep coming out for cows only. It's still elk hunting and we still get to eat elk. Don't lump everyone together.

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Yes, I was not fair in that statement. I think it’s great you guys take cows and does. And your right it is still hunting in the mountains.
 

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I don't care about horns. I'd hunt elk every year till I'm not able with cow tags. Don't care if I never shoot another bull, and I've only shot a few of them.

Western hunting is starting to go the way of Midwest WT. All this talk of"opportunity" is really about better tags/horn porn. It will ruin western hunting dame as it did in the Midwest.

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I support all sorts of things that don't benefit me personally.

I'm a life member of a fish and wildlife association in Montana that has a focus on a geographic area of Montana I never hunt. Like what they do though in their part of the state.

I get no benefit from donating to access programs in states I've never hunted.

I donate to Audubon and don't expect to get to shoot songbirds because I do.

I get no benefit donating to funds that provide money to gf agencies to pay to process game to give to the needy.

I get nothing for donating money to make sure families in need get Thanksgiving dinner.

I get nothing from donating an Arizona bull elk tag to a young lady with cancer.

I get nothing from donating at Christmas so kids I don't even know have something under the tree.

I got nothing for giving a family without much money my camp trailer so they could enjoy camping on public land.

I got nothing for writing a check to help a coworker out when his home burned down a year ago.

Some just do things without needing a payoff or something in it for themselves.

I purchase dog food and make donations to the local animal shelter, nothing in it for me. My dog is well taken care of.

I donate to APR and rarely hunt that property, and may never again.

I donate to the nature conservancy and don't often hunt their property either. Some of it is off limits to hunting in fact.

Should I go on or is the point clear?
 
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Honestly do not know. But how much money is really needed to fund hunting? The biologists, wardens and administration are one aspect. The animals and the land is there. How much from NR licenses actually goes back into wildlife specific funding vrs state general fund? In the last two decades it seems there are ten times more eco tourist here in MT, WY and ID than hunters,
Pretty easy to answer that, look at the state budget for it, usually NR‘s fund around 60-70% of the Fish and Game budget.
 

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I support all sorts of things that don't benefit me personally.

I'm a life member of a fish and wildlife association in Montana that has a focus on a geographic area of Montana I never hunt. Like what they do though in their part of the state.

I get no benefit from donating to access programs in states I've never hunted.

I donate to Audubon and don't expect to get to shoot songbirds because I do.

I get no benefit donating to funds that provide money to gf agencies to pay to process game to give to the needy.

I get nothing for donating money to make sure families in need get Thanksgiving dinner.

I get nothing from donating an Arizona bull elk tag to a young lady with cancer.

I get nothing from donating at Christmas so kids I don't even know have something under the tree.

I got nothing for giving a family without much money my camp trailer so they could enjoy camping on public land.

I got nothing for writing a check to help a coworker out when his home burned down a year ago.

Some just do things without needing a payoff or something in it for themselves.

I purchase dog food and make donations to the local animal shelter, nothing in it for me. My dog is well taken care of.

I donate to APR and rarely hunt that property, and may never again.

I donate to the nature conservancy and don't often hunt their property either. Some of it is off limits to hunting in fact.

Should I go on or is the point clear?
Many do similar. Hunting is a hobby not a social issue or doing good for one’s community/neighbor. But many donate based on interests as well, interests change so do donations.
 

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Many do similar. Hunting is a hobby not a social issue or doing good for one’s community/neighbor. But many donate based on interests as well, interests change so do donations.
I respectfully disagree with you. Hunting is absolutely not a hobby to me.
 

tdhanses

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I respectfully disagree with you. Hunting is absolutely not a hobby to me.
But overall in society it is viewed that way and it is that for a large percentage, no different then guys that enjoy golf and take it seriously.

I get some think it’s more then that but in todays society it is a hobby, there are easier and cheaper ways to eat. When people are really passionate about something they nolonger call it a hobby but just because one feels it’s more doesn’t change it from what it is.

Hobby - an activity done regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure.
 
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But overall in society it is viewed that way and it is that for a large percentage, no different then guys that enjoy golf and take it seriously.

I get some think it’s more then that but in todays society it is a hobby, there are easier and cheaper ways to eat. When people are really passionate aabout something they nolonger call it a hobby but just because one feels it’s more doesn’t change it from what it is.
Again I respectfully disagree, it absolutely is not comparable to golf...in any way.

One conserves habitat, one destroys it. Golf balls don't die. Golf balls dont provide sustenance to humans or other animals. Golf courses do not maintain biodiversity, they destroy it. Golf courses don't provide or improve water quality, they degrade it. Golf courses don't provide winter range, they destroy it.

Conserving wildlife and the places that it is found absolutely is beneficial to society, mental and physical well being, improved air and water quality, provide places to get out of the rat race. Wildlife habitat provides carbon sequestration, provides raw materials, and on and on ad nauseum.

The upside to hunting, is that there is no downside and everyone is a beneficiary of the things it provides.
 
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I’m not sure if your reading or comprehending…..

of course changing who gets the tag won’t affect the herd size. 🤪

for the third time, THE TAGS ARE LIMITED !!!
The one I was responding too originally...

Was blaming non res hunters for herd depletion.
 

Trap

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If NR’s didn’t buy up the 12k Idaho elk tags, they’d be sold to residents at NR prices in under 2 weeks.
Exactly-Idaho has already proved they don’t need to sell all those tags to to non residents to receive that money. Anytime there is left over non resident deer and elk tags residents have quickly purchased them as second tags at the higher non resident prices. Idaho has ALREADY proven they can replace non resident tag sales with residents.
 

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Honestly do not know. But how much money is really needed to fund hunting? The biologists, wardens and administration are one aspect. The animals and the land is there. How much from NR licenses actually goes back into wildlife specific funding vrs state general fund? In the last two decades it seems there are ten times more eco tourist here in MT, WY and ID than hunters,
60 percent of game department’s nationwide are funded hunting and by sales of hunting licenses. I don’t know about all 50 states but Idaho fish and game receives no tax payer funds they are funded by hunting revenue but do get some federal and private grants. The North American Model of wildlife management is totally based on game departments being funded by hunting-no license revenue should be diverted to general funds. Hunting will die if they try to fund it with eco tourism . Pre wolf management and when the economy sucked Idaho had a lot of unsold non resident tags. They made a rule allowing residents to buy those tags as second deer and elk tags at the higher non res prices. Anytime we have leftovers residents will gobble those tags up. Idaho can raise that “ lost revenue” from residents RIGHT now. Idaho still sells non res tags otc but doesn’t have to. Residents have always bought those tags at the full nr price.
 

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I support all sorts of things that don't benefit me personally.



I get no benefit from donating to access programs in states I've never hunted.


And here is the only bullet point germain to the topic at hand, sandwiched in around loads of other nonsense. You dont want to donate to places you arent going to hunt. Exactly the same stance that so many others are complaining about.
 
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