The resident short game. Long term consequences?

[RMM]

But how much money is really needed to fund hunting?

You do realize that Montana received nearly 108 million dollars to fund hunting last year right?

 

[BuzzH]

I'm interested in learning more about these "others"


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I support all sorts of things that don't benefit me personally.

I'm a life member of a fish and wildlife association in Montana that has a focus on a geographic area of Montana I never hunt. Like what they do though in their part of the state.

I get no benefit from donating to access programs in states I've never hunted.

I donate to Audubon and don't expect to get to shoot songbirds because I do.

I get no benefit donating to funds that provide money to gf agencies to pay to process game to give to the needy.

I get nothing for donating money to make sure families in need get Thanksgiving dinner.

I get nothing from donating an Arizona bull elk tag to a young lady with cancer.

I get nothing from donating at Christmas so kids I don't even know have something under the tree.

I got nothing for giving a family without much money my camp trailer so they could enjoy camping on public land.

I got nothing for writing a check to help a coworker out when his home burned down a year ago.

Some just do things without needing a payoff or something in it for themselves.

I purchase dog food and make donations to the local animal shelter, nothing in it for me. My dog is well taken care of.

I donate to APR and rarely hunt that property, and may never again.

I donate to the nature conservancy and don't often hunt their property either. Some of it is off limits to hunting in fact.

Should I go on or is the point clear?

 

[tdhanses]

Honestly do not know. But how much money is really needed to fund hunting? The biologists, wardens and administration are one aspect. The animals and the land is there. How much from NR licenses actually goes back into wildlife specific funding vrs state general fund? In the last two decades it seems there are ten times more eco tourist here in MT, WY and ID than hunters,

Pretty easy to answer that, look at the state budget for it, usually NR‘s fund around 60-70% of the Fish and Game budget.

 

[BuzzH]

Pretty easy to answer that, look at the state budget for it, usually NR‘s fund around 60-70% of the Fish and Game budget.

Could be in Montana.

Wyoming it's about 49% funded by non residents.

 

[tdhanses]

I support all sorts of things that don't benefit me personally.

I'm a life member of a fish and wildlife association in Montana that has a focus on a geographic area of Montana I never hunt. Like what they do though in their part of the state.

I get no benefit from donating to access programs in states I've never hunted.

I donate to Audubon and don't expect to get to shoot songbirds because I do.

I get no benefit donating to funds that provide money to gf agencies to pay to process game to give to the needy.

I get nothing for donating money to make sure families in need get Thanksgiving dinner.

I get nothing from donating an Arizona bull elk tag to a young lady with cancer.

I get nothing from donating at Christmas so kids I don't even know have something under the tree.

I got nothing for giving a family without much money my camp trailer so they could enjoy camping on public land.

I got nothing for writing a check to help a coworker out when his home burned down a year ago.

Some just do things without needing a payoff or something in it for themselves.

I purchase dog food and make donations to the local animal shelter, nothing in it for me. My dog is well taken care of.

I donate to APR and rarely hunt that property, and may never again.

I donate to the nature conservancy and don't often hunt their property either. Some of it is off limits to hunting in fact.

Should I go on or is the point clear?

Many do similar. Hunting is a hobby not a social issue or doing good for one’s community/neighbor. But many donate based on interests as well, interests change so do donations.

 

[BuzzH]

Many do similar. Hunting is a hobby not a social issue or doing good for one’s community/neighbor. But many donate based on interests as well, interests change so do donations.

I respectfully disagree with you. Hunting is absolutely not a hobby to me.

 

[tdhanses]

I respectfully disagree with you. Hunting is absolutely not a hobby to me.

But overall in society it is viewed that way and it is that for a large percentage, no different then guys that enjoy golf and take it seriously.

I get some think it’s more then that but in todays society it is a hobby, there are easier and cheaper ways to eat. When people are really passionate about something they nolonger call it a hobby but just because one feels it’s more doesn’t change it from what it is.

Hobby - an activity done regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure.

 

[BuzzH]

But overall in society it is viewed that way and it is that for a large percentage, no different then guys that enjoy golf and take it seriously.

I get some think it’s more then that but in todays society it is a hobby, there are easier and cheaper ways to eat. When people are really passionate aabout something they nolonger call it a hobby but just because one feels it’s more doesn’t change it from what it is.

Again I respectfully disagree, it absolutely is not comparable to golf...in any way.

One conserves habitat, one destroys it. Golf balls don't die. Golf balls dont provide sustenance to humans or other animals. Golf courses do not maintain biodiversity, they destroy it. Golf courses don't provide or improve water quality, they degrade it. Golf courses don't provide winter range, they destroy it.

Conserving wildlife and the places that it is found absolutely is beneficial to society, mental and physical well being, improved air and water quality, provide places to get out of the rat race. Wildlife habitat provides carbon sequestration, provides raw materials, and on and on ad nauseum.

The upside to hunting, is that there is no downside and everyone is a beneficiary of the things it provides.

 

[displacedtexan]

I’m not sure if your reading or comprehending…..

of course changing who gets the tag won’t affect the herd size.

for the third time, THE TAGS ARE LIMITED !!!

The one I was responding too originally...

Was blaming non res hunters for herd depletion.

 

[Customweld]

Pretty easy to answer that, look at the state budget for it, usually NR‘s fund around 60-70% of the Fish and Game budget.

In Idaho, it’s 57 percent of license revenue. Not to be confused with the overall budget.

 

[Trap]

If NR’s didn’t buy up the 12k Idaho elk tags, they’d be sold to residents at NR prices in under 2 weeks.

Exactly-Idaho has already proved they don’t need to sell all those tags to to non residents to receive that money. Anytime there is left over non resident deer and elk tags residents have quickly purchased them as second tags at the higher non resident prices. Idaho has ALREADY proven they can replace non resident tag sales with residents.

 

[Trap]

Honestly do not know. But how much money is really needed to fund hunting? The biologists, wardens and administration are one aspect. The animals and the land is there. How much from NR licenses actually goes back into wildlife specific funding vrs state general fund? In the last two decades it seems there are ten times more eco tourist here in MT, WY and ID than hunters,

60 percent of game department’s nationwide are funded hunting and by sales of hunting licenses. I don’t know about all 50 states but Idaho fish and game receives no tax payer funds they are funded by hunting revenue but do get some federal and private grants. The North American Model of wildlife management is totally based on game departments being funded by hunting-no license revenue should be diverted to general funds. Hunting will die if they try to fund it with eco tourism . Pre wolf management and when the economy sucked Idaho had a lot of unsold non resident tags. They made a rule allowing residents to buy those tags as second deer and elk tags at the higher non res prices. Anytime we have leftovers residents will gobble those tags up. Idaho can raise that “ lost revenue” from residents RIGHT now. Idaho still sells non res tags otc but doesn’t have to. Residents have always bought those tags at the full nr price.

 

[Kimber7man]

I support all sorts of things that don't benefit me personally.

I'm a life member of a fish and wildlife association in Montana that has a focus on a geographic area of Montana I never hunt. Like what they do though in their part of the state.

I get no benefit from donating to access programs in states I've never hunted.

I donate to Audubon and don't expect to get to shoot songbirds because I do.

I get no benefit donating to funds that provide money to gf agencies to pay to process game to give to the needy.

I get nothing for donating money to make sure families in need get Thanksgiving dinner.

I get nothing from donating an Arizona bull elk tag to a young lady with cancer.

I get nothing from donating at Christmas so kids I don't even know have something under the tree.

I got nothing for giving a family without much money my camp trailer so they could enjoy camping on public land.

I got nothing for writing a check to help a coworker out when his home burned down a year ago.

Some just do things without needing a payoff or something in it for themselves.

I purchase dog food and make donations to the local animal shelter, nothing in it for me. My dog is well taken care of.

I donate to APR and rarely hunt that property, and may never again.

I donate to the nature conservancy and don't often hunt their property either. Some of it is off limits to hunting in fact.

Should I go on or is the point clear?

I respectfully disagree. You get the benefit of internal satisfaction from donating to causes that you deem worthy. You also get the benefit of being able to tell people about all the good you’re doing.

 

[dirtytough]

I respectfully disagree. You get the benefit of internal satisfaction from donating to causes that you deem worthy. You also get the benefit of being able to tell people about all the good you’re doing.

Agree.

 

[BuzzH]

And here is the only bullet point germain to the topic at hand, sandwiched in around loads of other nonsense. You dont want to donate to places you arent going to hunt. Exactly the same stance that so many others are complaining about.

I do donate to access and places I will never hunt.

 

[Mykolaivka887]

I respectfully disagree with you. Hunting is absolutely not a hobby to me.

Not to get crosswise with you, Buzz, but I disagree with you. In this day and age, hunting interest basically boils down to either an avocation, or a vocation. One is a hobby and the other is employment. There's really no other aspects that pertain to hunting endeavors, nowadays.

Modern day subsistence isn't a denominator, either, because modern day subsistence is merely an attribute derived from a person's hunting hobby. Hunting even in the sincere attempt (guise) of conservation is nothing more than a hobby, because it's not commercial or professional.

Truthfully, it matters not whether it's golfing, fishing, sitting at the beach each weekend and staring at bikini-clad bodies from behind sunglasses, living vicariously on internet forums, shopping (purchasing) as an entertainment, or hunting as a serious pastime, they're all hobbies.

When hunting becomes commercial in a professional sense, then it's no longer a hobby. Just my two cents on the matter.

 

[BuzzH]

I respectfully disagree. You get the benefit of internal satisfaction from donating to causes that you deem worthy. You also get the benefit of being able to tell people about all the good you’re doing.

No, not it at all. Believe it or not there are people out there that do things when there is nothing in it for them.

There's plenty more things I've done to benefit others that I don't discuss.

What good is it and how does it benefit me to tell a bunch of people that could care less?

Your reasoning falls flat.

 

[BuzzH]

Not to get crosswise with you, Buzz, but I disagree with you. In this day and age, hunting interest basically boils down to either an avocation, or a vocation. One is a hobby and the other is employment. There's really no other aspects that pertain to hunting endeavors, nowadays.

Modern day subsistence isn't a denominator, either, because modern day subsistence is merely an attribute derived from a person's hunting hobby. Hunting even in the sincere attempt (guise) of conservation is nothing more than a hobby, because it's not commercial or professional.

Truthfully, it matters not whether it's golfing, fishing, sitting at the beach each weekend and staring at bikini-clad bodies from behind sunglasses, living vicariously on internet forums, shopping (purchasing) as an entertainment, or hunting as a serious pastime, they're all hobbies.

When hunting becomes commercial in a professional sense, then it's no longer a hobby. Just my two cents on the matter.

You're entitled to your opinion. It's still not a hobby to me. Thank you for your interpretation, I don't agree however.

 

[Trap]

Not to get crosswise with you, Buzz, but I disagree with you. In this day and age, hunting interest basically boils down to either an avocation, or a vocation. One is a hobby and the other is employment. There's really no other aspects that pertain to hunting endeavors, nowadays.

Modern day subsistence isn't a denominator, either, because modern day subsistence is merely an attribute derived from a person's hunting hobby. Hunting even in the sincere attempt (guise) of conservation is nothing more than a hobby, because it's not commercial or professional.

Truthfully, it matters not whether it's golfing, fishing, sitting at the beach each weekend and staring at bikini-clad bodies from behind sunglasses, living vicariously on internet forums, shopping (purchasing) as an entertainment, or hunting as a serious pastime, they're all hobbies.

When hunting becomes commercial in a professional sense, then it's no longer a hobby. Just my two cents on the matter.

Not sure it matters what title we give hunting but I disagree it’s a hobby for everyone. I would think of it as a lifestyle or a way of life. If you grow up hunting out your back door with family it can just become a way of life, when filling the freezers is an actual important part of the hunt- like the goal and not just a by product of success. When your meat from hunting is 90 percent of your family’s diet it’s a way of life. Just because there is no profit motive doesn’t automatically make it a hobby. If you plan 2 weeks a year to draw a few tags and hunt those 2-3 weeks it’s probably a hobby. If you are out in the woods year around hunting and trapping I would say it’s a way of life. In Idaho you can be hunting 11 months out of the year, throw in fishing and it’s a part of daily life and a lifestyle. It’s not important what terminology we use but I think for a lot of hunters it’s a hobby for others it’s a way of life and transcends just being a hobby.

 

[Mykolaivka887]

Not sure it matters what title we give hunting but I disagree it’s a hobby for everyone. I would think of it as a lifestyle or a way of life. If you grow up hunting out your back door with family it can just become a way of life, when filling the freezers is an actual important part of the hunt- like the goal and not just a by product of success. When your meat from hunting is 90 percent of your family’s diet it’s a way of life. Just because there is no profit motive doesn’t automatically make it a hobby. If you plan 2 weeks a year to draw a few tags and hunt those 2-3 weeks it’s probably a hobby. If you are out in the woods year around hunting and trapping I would say it’s a way of life. In Idaho you can be hunting 11 months out of the year, throw in fishing and it’s a part of daily life and a lifestyle. It’s not important what terminology we use but I think for a lot of hunters it’s a hobby for others it’s a way of life and transcends just being a hobby.

You're probably right. I guide hunters full-time and although my professional pursuit of wildlife is commercial, it's probably still defined as a hobby, even though it's my career.