The Raven: Unknown Munitions Tikka Clone action coming soon?

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Suppressors - $999
Scope - $999
Action - $999

I'm sensing a trend...

 

[Dobermann]

The three I have…. I won’t say what I have actually seen in comparing.

What?? Why?

(Feel free to PM me if this is somehow controversial ...)

 

[Escalante11]

$999

Gucci Tikka!

~ $800 for a proven stainless Tikka action, DBM, trigger and magazine?

or

~ $1500 for an unproven Tikka clone, DBM, trigger and magazine?

Not trying to be critical and applaud UM for bringing this to market, but hopefully there are some features on the Raven that help offset a near doubling in all-in price.

 

[akh223]

Honest question here, and I have more Tikkas than anything else. If going a custom action/build route; why would I want a Tikka clone at $999 vs an Origin. The Origin is probably a little less street price.

The three major drawbacks I have with my Tikkas are 1, limited stocks.
2, limited triggers
And 3, limited prefit barrels

Yes, I understand that there are options in all three categories, but the options are much fewer than what you see for Remington 700 style actions/clones.

The Tikkas are a great factory rifle, but it feels like some of that is lost when the price is going to be the same or more than any other comparable custom build.

What am I missing about the Tikka/Tikka clone action that makes it much more desirable?

 

[Ferrulewax]

Honest question here, and I have more Tikkas than anything else. If going a custom action/build route; why would I want a Tikka clone at $999 vs an Origin. The Origin is probably a little less street price.

The three major drawbacks I have with my Tikkas are 1, limited stocks.
2, limited triggers
And 3, limited prefit barrels

Yes, I understand that there are options in all three categories, but the options are much fewer than what you see for Remington 700 style actions/clones.

The Tikkas are a great factory rifle, but it feels like some of that is lost when the price is going to be the same or more than any other comparable custom build.

What am I missing about the Tikka/Tikka clone action that makes it much more desirable?

Thread 'Ice/snow comparison between rifles'

Dec 22, 2022

I have been asked by multiple people to do an ice and snow reliability eval between rifles/actions/triggers. Tthis is not a “test”, it is just a view at what generally happens. Doing a legitimate test requires more rifles and consistent conditions than I have. So…


The rifles:

1). Tikka T3 in KRG Bravo chassis

2). Sauer 100 factory

3). Howa 1500 Alpine factory

4). Remington M7 with TT trigger and Bansner stock

5). Winchester Pre 64 M70 factory

6). Tikka T3 factory

7). Sako TRG 42 factory





This will be done in multiple steps, worst case working back back to easy...

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[RyanT26]

Thread 'Ice/snow comparison between rifles'

Dec 22, 2022

I have been asked by multiple people to do an ice and snow reliability eval between rifles/actions/triggers. Tthis is not a “test”, it is just a view at what generally happens. Doing a legitimate test requires more rifles and consistent conditions than I have. So…


The rifles:

1). Tikka T3 in KRG Bravo chassis

2). Sauer 100 factory

3). Howa 1500 Alpine factory

4). Remington M7 with TT trigger and Bansner stock

5). Winchester Pre 64 M70 factory

6). Tikka T3 factory

7). Sako TRG 42 factory





This will be done in multiple steps, worst case working back back to easy...

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Yes, but tikka actions will still be more affordable. Are these going to be $250 better than what a factory Tikka action is if not it kind of missed the mark imo.

 

[ezwy]

Well if you want picatinny rings there’s that…

 

[Schmo]

Yes, but tikka actions will still be more affordable. Are these going to be $250 better than what a factory Tikka action is if not it kind of missed the mark imo.

Two things.
1. Integrated pic rail for limitless mounting options.

2. Nitrided from the manufacturer.

Buying a screw-on pic rail is $75-ish for a good one, and you still have the weakness of it not being integral.

Getting an action nitrided will cost you $100 or more to have it done through a shop.

Also, an American manufacturer who is filling a demand and making a good product. Someone who actually listened to us.

 

[Cmack0102]

Integrated rail, lightened, and nitrided.

If it maintains the reliability/smooth function, it’s well worth $999.

 

[RockAndSage]

Two things.
1. Integrated pic rail for limitless mounting options.

2. Nitrided from the manufacturer.

Buying a screw-on pic rail is $75-ish for a good one, and you still have the weakness of it not being integral.

Getting an action nitrided will cost you $100 more to have it done through a shop.

Also, an American manufacturer who is filling a demand and making a good product. Someone who actually listened to us.

I would happily pay another $100-200 for the integral pic rail, just for the time it would save in setting up a gun properly, let alone the number of problems it eliminates.

 

[Tell]

@Procision Arms

Will the raven be available in left hand?

Yes. Tim said his partner is a left so they’ll be making left handed one as well. I expect it won’t be right away.

 

[RyanT26]

Two things.
1. Integrated pic rail for limitless mounting options.

2. Nitrided from the manufacturer.

Buying a screw-on pic rail is $75-ish for a good one, and you still have the weakness of it not being integral.

Getting an action nitrided will cost you $100 or more to have it done through a shop.

Also, an American manufacturer who is filling a demand and making a good product. Someone who actually listened to us.

I’ve never felt like a tikka action needed to be nitrated. They are already the smoothest and most reliable action on the market.

Ok on the pic rail…I guess.

 

[Tell]

I’ve never felt like a tikka action needed to be nitrated. They are already the smoothest and most reliable action on the market.

Ok on the pic rail…I guess.

Don’t forget that it also has a swappable bolt face

 

[Schmo]

I’ve never felt like a tikka action needed to be nitrated. They are already the smoothest and most reliable action on the market.

Ok on the pic rail…I guess.

Nitride is even smoother, and quite a bit more corrosion/rust resistant than the stainless actions. That’s the biggest benefit.

 

[nm.otter]

Modern metallurgy is freakin' cool.

 

[Castle Rock]

What trigger does it come with?

 

[Escalante11]

What trigger does it come with?

I’d guess none. Unaware of many custom actions that come with triggers and bottom metals but hopefully i’m wrong there.

Hence my concern this may be pushing 2x more the Tikka on price once you round up a bottom metal, trigger and magazine for it.

 

[Cmack0102]

I’d guess none. Unaware of many custom actions that come with triggers and bottom metals but hopefully i’m wrong there.

Hence my concern this may be pushing 2x more the Tikka on price once you round up a bottom metal, trigger and magazine for it.

I don’t care if you buy one, but I don’t think this is being made to compete with an off-the-shelf tikka. This is meant to be the base of a custom build for those who don’t want the disadvantages of a Remington 700 based action.

If you buy a tikka, send it to UM for lightening/nitriding, get a prefit to run 6 creed, and get an aftermarket stock, you’re gutting the tikka to the point that you might as well just buy the action that already has those things plus the integrated rail. If I went that route, I’d plan to upgrade the bottom metal and trigger anyway so it’s just a donor action at that point. As they’ve said many times, tikka won’t sell them bare actions, so for all their custom builds, they’re throwing all those components in a gut pile.

I would recommend someone buy a standard tikka if they weren’t planing to tinker/upgrade, but if you know you want custom anyway, I think this is a better place to start.

 

[wyosam]

I don’t care if you buy one, but I don’t think this is being made to compete with an off-the-shelf tikka. This is meant to be the base of a custom build for those who don’t want the disadvantages of a Remington 700 based action.

If you buy a tikka, send it to UM for lightening/nitriding, get a prefit to run 6 creed, and get an aftermarket stock, you’re gutting the tikka to the point that you might as well just buy the action that already has those things plus the integrated rail. If I went that route, I’d plan to upgrade the bottom metal and trigger anyway so it’s just a donor action at that point. As they’ve said many times, tikka won’t sell them bare actions, so for all their custom builds, they’re throwing all those components in a gut pile.

I would recommend someone buy a standard tikka if they weren’t planing to tinker/upgrade, but if you know you want custom anyway, I think this is a better place to start.

Certainly a better route if you’re planning to lighten/nitride. If I was starting from scratch, I’d be all over it. I’ve currently got plenty of actions though, and adding one of these would mess up my scope compatibility.


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[Marbles]

I’d guess none. Unaware of many custom actions that come with triggers and bottom metals but hopefully i’m wrong there.

Hence my concern this may be pushing 2x more the Tikka on price once you round up a bottom metal, trigger and magazine for it.

If trying to save money, a Tikka without upgrades is the answer.

If you only want the action and are going replace everything else on the rifle anyway, then a few hundred more for an integrated rail and nitride becomes worth it.

My real concern is that they screw up the clone with tighter clearance or something and it is not as reliable and robust as a factory Tikka action. At this point, I have 3 Tikkas and don't need another, so I'm not planning on buying a Raven.

The Tikka trigger is good. I replaced mine with Sako S20 triggers to get a 3 position safety and fix the safety binding if the bolt is pushed up. But, if I got a Raven I would be putting a Tikka trigger on it as none of the aftermarket Tikka triggers address those issues and the supply of S20 triggers is very limited. So, the Raven not including a Tikka trigger is a downside in general in my opinion (but one that cannot be helped).

Over all, I hope this does well and think it is a cool project from UM.