The Hunters Orange Epidemic

[Billinsd]

I’m not in the “can’t we all just get along” crowd.

Why can't we as hunters on this forum get along? : )

 

[BuzzH]

Pretty much, I believe you, at least in the state you live.The force is strong with this one!! I remember you lean more liberal in a very Conservative place. I lean extremely right and live in a fanatical liberal place. That defines our views tremendously. You should live and experience hunting in California. You might want to buy some bunker plans or seriously consider moving like me. : ) You are saying hunters self regulate themselves and have been for a long time? To a degree yes. You say without self regulating ourselves there wouldn't be any game around to hunt? You should know this better than me, since I'm a Californian. Without government regulations, and enforcement most game animals would be gone. I'm not against all government regulations, especially those that manage game animals. I'm in favor of sound game regulations managing game animals!!! Cheers Bill

Have you ever stopped to think hunting regulations just flat aren't a liberal vs conservative issue? I don't believe for a second they are...it's a decision made by reasonable people despite political affiliation or political ideology. If it wasn't that way, how is that a state like wyoming, perhaps the most conservative state in the west, with a clear majority of the legislature as red as blood, have a hunter orange regulation in place?

I would make the argument that hunting regulations aren't a D vs R issue or a conservative vs liberal issue...but about common sense. Precisely why conservative wyoming politicians, hunters, commission, and legislators supported and continue to support the regulation. Why over 40 states require it and have the regulation in place.

Not every issue has to dragged into the political abyss of the .gov conspiracy nuts.

 

[Shrek]

Why can't we as hunters on this forum get along? : )

Because getting along is how The People’s Democratic Republic of California came to be. It’s how freedom and liberty disappear. One “reasonable” compromise at a time. If you want to wear orange the you should choose to do so but it shouldn’t be a requirement mandated by the nanny state.

 

[JohnnyB]

I gotta say, the idea that you shouldn't wear orange because someone might check you out through their scope is one of the most bizarre things I've read on here. That's reeaaallllyyy reaching for excuses to justify doing dumb stuff.

Is it that you don’t believe it happens or you don’t think it would be a big deal if it happens to you?

 

[Billinsd]

Because getting along is how The People’s Democratic Republic of California came to be. It’s how freedom and liberty disappear. One “reasonable” compromise at a time. If you want to wear orange the you should choose to do so but it shouldn’t be a requirement mandated by the nanny state.

No, that's not what I mean. I mean we respect each other's right to disagree. We don't have to change our opinions, just be civil. California became the way it is, because of Liberals moving here from the East Coast and more importantly illegal immigation. Look around at states like Arizona, Montana, and Texas!! The illegals and legals overwhelmingly vote Democrate for entitlements. No getting that horse back in the barn. Bill

 

[Alaskanopolis]

I don't know about anyone else out there, but I am starting to see a trend in Montana. Lately I have been seeing guys wearing little to no orange. This year my brother and I ran into two guys out mule deer hunting, one wearing orange, the other not wearing any, not even a hat or anything. Below are the regulations in MT:

87-6-414. Failure to wear hunter orange while big game hunting. (1) Except as provided in subsection (3), a person may not hunt any big game animals in this state or accompany any hunter as an outfitter or guide under any of the provisions of the laws of this state without wearing as exterior garments above the waist a total of not less than 400 square inches of hunter orange material visible at all times while hunting.
(2) As used in this section, "hunter orange" means a daylight fluorescent orange color.
(3) This section does not apply to a person hunting:
(a) with a bow and arrow during the special archery season; or
(b) wolves outside the general deer and elk season as authorized by commission rules.
(4) The department shall make rules to implement this section.
(5) A person convicted of a violation of this section shall be punished by a fine of not less than $10 or more than $20.

How hard is it to put on a little mesh vest? I know it may not seem like much but something this simple really bugs the hell out of me. I have been seeing more and more of this every year as well. You are even starting to see it on videos guys post on Youtube! I watched a video the other day of two out of state hunters in eastern MT either not wearing any orange at all or just a hat while clearly out pursuing game and most likely having shot the animal. I just dont get it, its not that hard! Does this bug any one else out there?

No requirement to wear orange in Alaska and it’s never been a problem.

 

[jspradley]

Is it that you don’t believe it happens or you don’t think it would be a big deal if it happens to you?

I'm not saying it has never happened but I think it's a exponentially more likely occurrence to get scoped when Bubba sees a dark colored blob on the next ridge and wants to check it out vs a giant neon pumpkin.

 

[Billinsd]

Have you ever stopped to think hunting regulations just flat aren't a liberal vs conservative issue? I don't believe for a second they are...it's a decision made by reasonable people despite political affiliation or political ideology. If it wasn't that way, how is that a state like wyoming, perhaps the most conservative state in the west, with a clear majority of the legislature as red as blood, have a hunter orange regulation in place?

I would make the argument that hunting regulations aren't a D vs R issue or a conservative vs liberal issue...but about common sense. Precisely why conservative wyoming politicians, hunters, commission, and legislators supported and continue to support the regulation. Why over 40 states require it and have the regulation in place.

Not every issue has to dragged into the political abyss of the .gov conspiracy nuts.

Right hunting regulations aren't D versus R etc. for the most part. It's really only us Libertarian or very Libertarian leaning Conservatives like me that take offense. Some of us are arguing that there are too many regulations and we don't want the government protecting us. Of course it's a spectrum. Some of us are way on one side or another on some issues or most. Most are somewhere in between. Hunter Orange is pretty much on the bottom of my concerns.

 

[5MilesBack]

Get out of the bunker, self imposed hunting regulations aren't a government conspiracy against your freedoms.

If they were self-imposed they wouldn't be "regulations" and penalized with fines.

 

[BuzzH]

If they were self-imposed they wouldn't be "regulations" and penalized with fines.

We've been a nation of laws forever...get over it or find your own island to live on. On 5milebackisland hunters orange won't be a requirement.

 

[5MilesBack]

I would make the argument that hunting regulations aren't a D vs R issue or a conservative vs liberal issue...but about common sense.

It's the common sense and being able to formulate logic that absolutely delineates the difference between conservatives and liberals. All you have to do is follow the ideologies and see where they all end up. When they end up in failure of a nation, those are absolutely liberal policies. Just look at every single policy that is ruining America.........they're all liberal policies. Unfortunately, it's difficult to identify the difference in Congress anymore as most all of them are liberals.

 

[BuzzH]

It's the common sense and being able to formulate logic thought that absolutely delineates the difference between conservatives and liberals. All you have to do is follow the ideologies and see where they all end up. When they end up in failure of a nation, those are absolutely liberal policies. Just look at every single policy that is ruining America.........they're all liberal policies. Unfortunately, it's difficult to identify the difference in Congress anymore as most all of them are liberals.

Just not true....unregulated conservative policies are no better. Fact.

 

[5MilesBack]

We've been a nation of laws forever...get over it or find your own island to live on. On 5milebackisland hunters orange won't be a requirement.

Why is that always a liberal argument........."We're already in the process of ruining your nation, go find your own if you don't like it". That's what the Californians and other nomadic liberals have done to Colorado since the early 90's. I've already found my own, and am willing to fight for it, and have sworn an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against ALL enemies.....foreign and domestic. The real question is.........when there are literally dozens and dozens of countries that operate as liberals would prefer, why on earth would they want to ruin ours as well instead of just joining the ones that have already been ruined? That's a legitimate question, that really deserves a logical answer.

 

[5MilesBack]

Just not true....unregulated conservative policies are no better. Fact.

Can you name one conservative policy? Hmmmm right now I'm thinking of personal responsibility and accountability. How on earth can those policies be "no better" even without any regulation of those policies? They are WAY better than the liberal version of "it's always someone else's fault".

 

[BuzzH]

Why is that always a liberal argument........."We're already in the process of ruining your nation, go find your own if you don't like it". That's what the Californians and other nomadic liberals have done to Colorado since the early 90's. I've already found my own, and am willing to fight for it, and have sworn an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against ALL enemies.....foreign and domestic. The real question is.........when there are literally dozens and dozens of countries that operate as liberals would prefer, why on earth would they want to ruin ours as well instead of just joining the ones that have already been ruined? That's a legitimate question, that really deserves a logical answer.

I don't find the United States to be ruined or over regulated...obviously you're very unhappy here...lots of choices in places to live that you feel are better.

 

[5MilesBack]

I don't find the United States to be ruined or over regulated...

Of course you don't........you don't mind giving away the liberties, freedoms, and rights that many have sworn to protect and defend. And that mentality describes a very large portion of our nation these days.....unfortunately. Our nation deserves some hard times.

And no, there are no better places than the United States of America in the world today, even in the dilapidated condition that we're currently in.

 

[BuzzH]

Of course you don't........you don't mind giving away the liberties, freedoms, and rights that many have sworn to protect and defend.

I know what works and what doesn't...an unregulated society has never worked...ever. Personal accountability and expecting people to just do the right thing...that works in one place, Fantasyland. I choose to operate in reality.

 

[Alaskanopolis]

I know what works and what doesn't...an unregulated society has never worked...ever. Personal accountability and expecting people to just do the right thing...that works in one place, Fantasyland. I choose to operate in reality.

How does someone not wearing orange affect YOU?

 

[BuzzH]

How does someone not wearing orange affect YOU?

Raises money for the state in the form of fines for people that don't like regulations. Any other questions?

 

[Alaskanopolis]

Raises money for the state in the form of fines for people that don't like regulations.

So then what’s your problem?