The elk shoulder that stopped a 308

[Squincher]

Wait, I thought photographic evidence was the unassailable, holy grail, be-all-end-all in questions of terminal ballistics, or does that hinge on the thread in which it is posted?

 

[QuackAttack]

My pic is also elk scapulas and also lost the core.

In my mind the only way I can see a bullet skipping vs penetration is on a super hard quartering shot and the shot being wide of the pocket.....or at incredible velocity.

I've parked a lot of 140 class bullets in elk and they tend to push deep.

Non bonded cup and core bullets are inherently inconsistent terminal performers. They come apart relatively easily, so they will have a higher frequency of failure. That doesn’t mean they 100% fail…just that the design is more failure prone than a bonded bullet or a monolithic bullet.


the Sierra Match King is notorious for both explosively fragmenting…and not fragmenting at all. If you look at the hollow point, they are all shaped slightly different. Every once in a while, you get one where the tip bends shut on impact and it penetrates like a fmj ball round or tries to turn/tumble.

 

[Marbles]

Wait, I thought photographic evidence was the unassailable, holy grail, be-all-end-all in questions of terminal ballistics, or does that hinge on the thread in which it is posted?

Are you telling me you believe the grey thing slammed into that muscle at 1900 fps (speed they stated in the video) and stopped after going through the hide only without even going full depth into the muscle? (edit, and per the video makers claim that grey thing weights 175 gr).

 

[Gstew1930]

Non bonded cup and core bullets are inherently inconsistent terminal performers. They come apart relatively easily, so they will have a higher frequency of failure. That doesn’t mean they 100% fail…just that the design is more failure prone than a bonded bullet or a monolithic bullet.


the Sierra Match King is notorious for both explosively fragmenting…and not fragmenting at all. If you look at the hollow point, they are all shaped slightly different. Every once in a while, you get one where the tip bends shut on impact and it penetrates like a fmj ball round or tries to turn/tumble.

I’ve found cup & core match bullets to be MUCH more consistent killers than a bonded bullet. Bonded & monos have much narrower wounds. Similar to the FMJ you mentioned

 

[woods89]

Are you telling me you believe the grey thing slammed into that muscle at 1900 fps (speed they stated in the video) and stopped after going through the hide only without even going full depth into the muscle? (edit, and per the video makers claim that grey thing weights 175 gr).
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It's the magic bullet!

 

[JohnJohnson]

Are you telling me you believe the grey thing slammed into that muscle at 1900 fps (speed they stated in the video) and stopped after going through the hide only without even going full depth into the muscle? (edit, and per the video makers claim that grey thing weights 175 gr).

Look man if he wanted more than skin-deep penetration then he should have used a magnum.

 

[Grundy53]

Are you telling me you believe the grey thing slammed into that muscle at 1900 fps (speed they stated in the video) and stopped after going through the hide only without even going full depth into the muscle? (edit, and per the video makers claim that grey thing weights 175 gr).
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With ZERO blood shot or bruising.

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[JohnJohnson]

With ZERO blood shot or bruising.

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Bulletproof shoulder muscle, that elk was yolked out of its mind. I think we can all take a lesson from that in our workout goals for 2024.

 

[Wrench]

Non bonded cup and core bullets are inherently inconsistent terminal performers. They come apart relatively easily, so they will have a higher frequency of failure. That doesn’t mean they 100% fail…just that the design is more failure prone than a bonded bullet or a monolithic bullet.


the Sierra Match King is notorious for both explosively fragmenting…and not fragmenting at all. If you look at the hollow point, they are all shaped slightly different. Every once in a while, you get one where the tip bends shut on impact and it penetrates like a fmj ball round or tries to turn/tumble.

here's your 142smk in action.....

 

[Marbles]

Bulletproof shoulder muscle, that elk was yolked out of its mind. I think we can all take a lesson from that in our workout goals for 2024.

Serious question, because I don't know. Is it "yolked" as in been eating a lot of egg yolks, or is it yoked as in the implement to harness a team of oxen?

I think that question belongs on this thread.

 

[JohnJohnson]

Is it "yolked" as in been eating a lot of egg yolks, or is it yoked as in the implement to harness a team of oxen?

From the looks of it people used yolked and yoked interchangeably to mean jacked/ripped/etc. But yoked seems like it would fit better even if it looks uglier as a word compared to yolked.

 

[Marbles]

From the looks of it people used yolked and yoked interchangeably to mean jacked/ripped/etc. But yoked seems like it would fit better even if it looks uglier as a word compared to yolked.

Thanks, I learned something from this thread after all.

 

[Squincher]

Are you telling me you believe the grey thing slammed into that muscle at 1900 fps (speed they stated in the video) and stopped after going through the hide only without even going full depth into the muscle? (edit, and per the video makers claim that grey thing weights 175 gr).
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It must be true, there are pictures on RS. And pictures on RS can't be questioned....even a little bit.

 

[JohnJohnson]

It must be true, there are pictures on RS. And pictures on RS can't be questioned....even a little bit.

They're a pretty solid source when they agree with the laws of physics.

 

[Shortschaf]

Wait, I thought photographic evidence was the unassailable, holy grail, be-all-end-all in questions of terminal ballistics, or does that hinge on the thread in which it is posted?

It must be true, there are pictures on RS. And pictures on RS can't be questioned....even a little bit.

A Youtuber tale about bullet failure based on a single unbloody picture is different than a caliber thread with dozens of seperate accounts/pictures.

I get it. This forum (like all others) gets campy about certain subjects. But nobody I know has ever seen a bullet impact on a live animal that didn't have a trace of blood

 

[Marbles]

It must be true, there are pictures on RS. And pictures on RS can't be questioned....even a little bit.

Pictures on here are questioned, frequently. They are questioned even when they line up with all the facts and are supported by multiple different accounts.

I will take your statement as an affirmative to my question.

 

[Squincher]

Pictures on here are questioned, frequently. They are questioned even when they line up with all the facts and are supported by multiple different accounts.

I will take your statement as an affirmative to my question.

I have no idea what happened with their bullet since I wasn't there, but I know bullets on rare occasions do things you would never expect. I don't care one way or the other what happened to them. I just find it funny reading all the RS "enlightened" posting screeds against this photographic evidence while posting the opposite screeds in the .223 thread whenever someone questions that photographic evidence. I guess I just enjoy watching displays of hypocrisy and lack of intellectual integrity, especially by those who come across as believing they are above it all.

 

[TNKnoxville]

Did you notice that the base of the bullet is slightly flattened like it was hammered into the shoulder.

 

[BjornF16]

I have no idea what happened with their bullet since I wasn't there, but I know bullets on rare occasions do things you would never expect. I don't care one way or the other what happened to them. I just find it funny reading all the RS "enlightened" posting screeds against this photographic evidence while posting the opposite screeds in the .223 thread whenever someone questions that photographic evidence. I guess I just enjoy watching displays of hypocrisy and lack of intellectual integrity, especially by those who come across as believing they are above it all.

How do we know that was even one of their bullets?…and not a bullet from someone else?

 

[Formidilosus]

I have no idea what happened with their bullet since I wasn't there, but I know bullets on rare occasions do things you would never expect.

Are you being purposely obtuse? Do you have any clue that saying a bullet- any bullet only penetrated 1/4” into muscle and stopped at 2,000fps, and there is zero soft tissue trauma surrounding the “wound”, is not “doing things you would never expect”- it’s complete and utter bullshit. It’s demonstrably absurd.

I don't care one way or the other what happened to them. I just find it funny reading all the RS "enlightened" posting screeds against this photographic evidence while posting the opposite screeds in the .223 thread whenever someone questions that photographic evidence. I guess I just enjoy watching displays of hypocrisy and lack of intellectual integrity, especially by those who come across as believing they are above it all.

The other side to this is apparently you can’t see the difference between dozens and dozens of people- (quite a few who initially argued against it) and hundreds of animals, who tried the 223/77gr TMK and found out that it does in tissue what properly done terminal ballistics testing shows it does and posted picture after picture showing exactly that.