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Mike7

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And this is their form letter that I am supposed to send to the Wash Dept of Fish & Wildlife. Note, that now ungulate populations need recovered...the same decimated ungulate populations in NE Washington, which likely occurred due to a virtually imperceptible 'acute' climate change, but that coincidentally also occured around the time wolves started migrating in from Idaho and really taking off. Hmmm. And sport hunting shouldn't be used to manage wolves. And studies are needed, because the experience of wolves in Idaho and Montana is really not important.



"Washington Department of Fish and Wildl1ife,

Thank you for the opportunity to weigh-in on the future conservation and management of Washington’s wolves. I value the return of the wolf to quality habitat across our state, and appreciate efforts supporting the long-term recovery and public acceptance of wolves alongside thriving local communities. This work must continue even after Washington’s wolves meet state and federal recovery goals. Our state must maintain a healthy wolf population above recovery thresholds sufficient to conserve this iconic native species into the future.

The Draft Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) for a post-recovery management plan for Washington’s wolves should include the following:

A scientific literature review on the role that wolf pack structure and social dynamics play in maintaining resilient populations, especially with respect to climate change and human pressures but also the unique and complex nature of suitable wolf habitat in Washington.

Alternatives that take into account the role of wolf social structure in maintaining a resilient population and minimizing conflict with livestock and humans, as well as management methods that seek to protect the integrity of wolf packs wherever feasible, especially those not involved in livestock conflicts.

A literature review of predator-prey dynamics and how wolves fit into a multi-predator, multi-prey ecosystem along with human impacts. This should include evaluation of predator-prey interactions considering the state and trends of ungulate populations in Washington, particularly in the Cascade and Kettle mountains.

Alternatives that take into account the role of habitat modification, climate factors, wild predation and human-caused mortality on ungulate population trends and how these factors can be managed to restore and maintain healthy ungulate populations for both predators and people.

Address approaches for maintaining a strong program of preventative measures to limit livestock conflicts, including methods that are adaptive to the diverse types of livestock production that occur in Washington, from public lands grazing of cattle to small sheep and goat hobby farms.

One or more alternatives that do not use general sport hunting to manage the wolf population. Research has shown that general public hunting is not an effective means of preventing or reducing wolf conflicts with livestock.

A strong adaptive management component so the plan can be updated as we learn more about wolf ecology, ungulate population response, effectiveness of deterrence measures for preventing livestock depredations, and human social dynamics around wolf presence in Washington.

A strong public outreach and education component to support coexistence as wolves establish packs in new parts of the state, including on wolf behavior and what to do during a wolf encounter.

Assessment of methods to support healthy and respectful dialogue among citizens of Washington, both with each other and with WDFW staff on wolf management over time.

Thank you for developing a new, science-based Wolf Conservation and Management Plan, and for working towards long-term wolf recovery and coexistence in Washington."
 

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Sounds like a problem for your state game agency. We have a ton of wolves. We’re in the “recovery zone”, at least in some of the areas I hunt, and we have limited hunting in that zone. Rest of the state can shoot them like coyotes, which is why it took so long to get a hunting season on them here. If your state can’t manage for both wolves and elk, complain to them. There has to be more at play than just wolves, because some areas do just fine with wolves in high density and maintain great elk herds. Others don’t. Wolves aren’t hungrier in one place than another.


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I think the Wyoming elk herd is handling wolves better because the elk have more wide open spaces to winter. More wind swept open ridges to try to avoid predators. North Idaho / North West Montana / the bob / etc.. those herds winter in thick vegetation on the sides of mountains. I think it’s easier for the wolves to hunt elk in those environments during the winter and run havoc on the herds. idk Just my observation. North west Montana and north Idaho is a fraction of what it use to be.. the most obvious big change is wolves. I’m sure there’s other factors, more hunters / better equipment / etc. but wolves are fantastic at killing ungulates and avoiding human hunters.


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It's okay to just disagree. It really is. [/QUOTE said:
I agree most times. However, you are so far out there in your reasoning on this and, problem bears within neighborhoods, its impossible for me to consider you as rationale. FWIW, You have a unique ability to insult people while taking offense to anything that is said in contradiction to it.
 

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go start your own progressive hunting website then. But that would require initiative, work and brains.

I'm a progressive because I made fun of rokslide? I must also be a right wing extremist because I own a gun as well, huh? That comment was a little tongue in cheek as well since I am one of these "Roksliders"

Also, I don't know how high you aim but creating a forum isn't exactly rocket science in the wide range of business options. I'm sure it takes a lot of work but it isn't really the most complex of business models. I prefer things that I get a little more return for my time. But, I do appreciate someone else putting in the time to create a place where I can get in dumb arguments over the internet.
 

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I'm a progressive because I made fun of rokslide? I must also be a right wing extremist because I own a gun as well, huh? That comment was a little tongue in cheek as well since I am one of these "Roksliders"

Also, I don't know how high you aim but creating a forum isn't exactly rocket science in the wide range of business options. I'm sure it takes a lot of work but it isn't really the most complex of business models. I prefer things that I get a little more return for my time. But, I do appreciate someone else putting in the time to create a place where I can get in dumb arguments over the internet.

Yep, just I anticipated😂😂

Another wolf expert from urban Colorado.
 

ElkElkGoose

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Yep, just I anticipated😂😂

Another wolf expert from urban Colorado.

You know you can have controlling equity in businesses and not live next door to them right? I know a lot of other good old boys who understand this concept.

I didn't have an opinion on the wolves at the beginning of this, I was just looking for raw data I could form my own opinion with. But as usual, rokslide didn't disappoint with yet another discussion that would be at home in a truck stop.


I didn't have an opinion before, you can bet I have one now. There may be less elk but ruining your day might just be worth it.
 

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I didn't have an opinion on the wolves at the beginning of this, I was just looking for raw data I could form my own opinion with. But as usual, rokslide didn't disappoint with yet another discussion that would be at home in a truck stop.

I didn't have an opinion before, you can bet I have one now. There may be less elk but ruining your day might just be worth it.
I doubt you're gonna ruin anyone's day on here. More than likely they'll be a judicious use of the ignore button so they won't have to listen to your screed. Form whatever opinion you want on wolves, data is already out there for what they do to ungulate populations. Not our fault you can't figure out how to find it. It's ok though, your mom will be down with another hot pocket for you in a minute.

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Have people just completely ignored the fact that the CPW (an organization filled with biologists and tasked with managing wildlife in CO) made a public statement AGAINST the forced reintroduction of wolves in CO? Regardless of my personal interests in hunting ungulates, that would be enough to inform my decision. However, the incomprehensible influence of emotion-based campaigns waged by out-of-state liberal elites and career activists cannot be overstated, unfortunately.
 

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Ive attended wolf meetings in WA.Hunters are outnumbered by the anti hunting progressives 10 to 1.The wolf meetings are a joke.
proof that buzz is correct. hunters whine , while antis do!


sure it is because most hunters are to busy running their own lives and have no interest in trying to run the lives of others as the mostly unemployed antis do. that is a pityful excuse.

hunters just don't care as much as the puppy lovers do.
 

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I have a big horn sheep winter feeding station a few miles from my house. I can hike out my front door and run into sheep within an hour. Takes at most few days to fill a big horn tag now in most states. I see sheep in Oregon, Idaho where I chukar hunt and have seen many times in WY and Montana.

If that was up in Canada on foot Id be be somewhat impressed

Couple things here...first off I don't hunt to impress you or anyone else.

We also don't have sheep feed stations in Wyoming, we still have enough intact wildlife habitat to support sheep. The sheep in the area I hunted are also not transplanted, they've been there forever.

I agree that filling a bighorn tag in a few days, in a lot of places is real possible. A person can choose to do that, the trouble with that though is that you were an asshole when you started, and an asshole when you got back, its about a whole hell of a lot more than just killing a ram.

I spent 26 days total hunting them, most of it on foot. I did have the help of a good friend who has been lucky to live in Cody and hunt those sheep a ton. He hunted with me when he was available and was no small part of why I was able to see so many rams.

I didn't want to rob myself of the experience and the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity so I looked over 62 rams over those 26 days. It was pretty important to me to hunt them right and I did. I didn't blast my ram at long range, I didn't shoot the first rams I saw, and passed on some good rams. Settled on the one I shot, after stalking to 119 yards and killed him in his bed...a 9.5 year old ram with a great cape. Cant ask for much better.

Seems you're good at a couple things, and that's shooting your mouth, and yourself in the foot...all over wolves.

Sad, and unfortunate. Most grown men I know don't behave like that.

Carry on....
 
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Couple things here...first off I don't hunt to impress you or anyone else.

We also don't have sheep feed stations in Wyoming, we still have enough intact wildlife habitat to support sheep. The sheep in the area I hunted are also not transplanted, they've been there forever.

I agree that filling a bighorn tag in a few days, in a lot of places is real possible. A person can choose to do that, the trouble with that though is that you were an asshole when you started, and an asshole when you got back, its about a whole hell of a lot more than just killing a ram.

I spent 26 days total hunting them, most of it on foot. I did have the help of a good friend who has been lucky to live in Cody and hunt those sheep a ton. He hunted with me when he was available and was no small part of why I was able to see so many rams.

I didn't want to rob myself of the experience and the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity so I looked over 62 rams over those 26 days. It was pretty important to me to hunt them right and I did. I didn't blast my ram at long range, I didn't shoot the first rams I saw, and passed on some good rams. Settled on the one I shot, after stalking to 119 yards and killed him in his bed...a 9.5 year old ram with a great cape. Cant ask for much better.

Seems you're good at a couple things, and that's shooting your mouth, and yourself in the foot...all over wolves.

Sad, and unfortunate. Most grown men I know don't behave like that.

Carry on....
Most grown men wouldn't tell someone they don't know they're an asshole when they started and an asshole when they got back, either. But, you did. Don't you have your fan club over on Hunt Talk to pander to? Or doesn't BHA have some token plan for you to get involved in that other orgs have already laid the groundwork on? Seems to be their MO.

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proof that buzz is correct. hunters whine , while antis do!


sure it is because most hunters are to busy running their own lives and have no interest in trying to run the lives of others as the mostly unemployed antis do. that is a pityful excuse.

hunters just don't care as much as the puppy lovers do.

The wolf meetings are held weekdays early in the afternoon in remote areas of the state. They won't hold the meetings on weekends. Who has time and can afford to lose a day of work, drive a couple hundred miles to attend the meetings? Paid pro wolf consultants and radical activists like Buz.

the fix is in
 

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Most grown men wouldn't tell someone they don't know they're an asshole when they started and an asshole when they got back, either. But, you did. Don't you have your fan club over on Hunt Talk to pander to? Or doesn't BHA have some token plan for you to get involved in that other orgs have already laid the groundwork on? Seems to be their MO.

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Look at this guy! Defining culture of Rokslide. If you only put as much actual effort into your wolf opinions as you do yapping you might make some progress.
 

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The wolf meetings are held weekdays early in the afternoon in remote areas of the state. They won't hold the meetings on weekends. Who has time and can afford to lose a day of work, drive a couple hundred miles to attend the meetings? Paid pro wolf consultants and radical activists like Buz.

the fix is in

Oh please, I led a MDF chapter and participated in RMEF. People are lazy when it comes to putting in the effort. It was like pulling teeth to get people to volunteer to do anything. A constant struggle for every chapter I came across.

Face it, the opposition is much more passionate about their causes and more likely to take action. You are just happy to let other people do the work and make the sacrifice while you whine on the internet.
 

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The wolf meetings are held weekdays early in the afternoon in remote areas of the state. They won't hold the meetings on weekends. Who has time and can afford to lose a day of work, drive a couple hundred miles to attend the meetings? Paid pro wolf consultants and radical activists like Buz.

the fix is in

Folks take weeks off and travel thousands of miles to hunt big game each season. Not taking an afternoon off to help fight the expansion and proliferation of a predator that is the alleged cause of significant population decline in big game animals seems silly. You may disagree with how Buzz speaks, but he’s correct when he says hunters need to step up. While we’re bitching with each other online, our opponents are busy stepping up and affecting wildlife/land policy.
 
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