todd kelly
WKR
If you want a pack you can beat the hell out of go with the stone glacier, if you want a pack you will have to baby go with the kuiu.
I agree, there is no way kuiu is in the same league as MR, Kifaru, SG. for durability and function, And once again Kuiu is putting out a pack that has very little field testing. MR spent two years field testing the Metcalf before bringing it to market. Two years field testing a bag! Kuiu has one season with limited use on an entirely new frame, harness, and bag. I do like some of Kuiu's clothing but their packs are not built to last. Save your money and buy a real pack.