Silencerco Scythe TI review

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Flush mounted or with a reflex?

I’d ask about specific applications if interested. I can’t recall them saying a reflex was needed in my inquiry.

A WSM is a way different powder capacity than a RUM for instance so generically saying “magnum” in barrel length requirements is conservative and vague.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I think the question is who is simply marketing in bad faith and who isn’t managing their quality control.

It’s just speculation on QC vs optimistic design capacity without input from SiCo.

 

[Runwilderness]

I fully agree.

It would be good to see testing protocols published along with manufacturers claims. I’m not planning to screw mine onto a 16” ultra boomer, but where the safe vs non safe line lies should be an objective statement of fact not a guessing game.

I know I ca screw up a hand load and blow up my action, but I expect the proof stamp on my Tikka equates to a reasonable margin of safety not a tbd ymmv sort of grey zone risk.

 

[wind gypsy]

It's all a bit of a buzzkill. Mine wont likely spend much time on stuff bigger than creedmoors but still.. So is there any reason to think the similarly light nomad Ti XC would hold up better to magnums? Printed vs welded but very light for size still.

Really liked having the 3 port anchor brake option if using on magnums but if a guy is at risk of failure with magnums that negates the upside. TBAC RR is so gol darn expensive..

 

[Q_Sertorius]

My 6.5 Grendel is still getting its new 18” barrel, so I haven’t even fired mine yet. I doubt I will have problems with it, but that uncertainty is troubling.


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[WKR]

It's all a bit of a buzzkill. Mine wont likely spend much time on stuff bigger than creedmoors but still.. So is there any reason to think the similarly light nomad Ti XC would hold up better to magnums? Printed vs welded but very light for size still.

Really liked having the 3 port anchor brake option if using on magnums but if a guy is at risk of failure with magnums that negates the upside. TBAC RR is so gol darn expensive..

Too early to tell, not enough xc's out in the wild to know how they hold up, but I'll be using mine on a pretty stout magnum wildcat with a 19"barrel and fire forming 300 pieces of brass in a few weeks.

With all the failure reports of the scythe, it's going to stay on my creedmoors.

The thing with the XC is, if it does fail I wouldn't expect the same turn around time for repair/replacement that sico offers.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

It's all a bit of a buzzkill. Mine wont likely spend much time on stuff bigger than creedmoors but still.. So is there any reason to think the similarly light nomad Ti XC would hold up better to magnums? Printed vs welded but very light for size still.

Really liked having the 3 port anchor brake option if using on magnums but if a guy is at risk of failure with magnums that negates the upside. TBAC RR is so gol darn expensive..

The timeframe to have things repaired in that dead air thread you linked was ridiculous, not very confidence inspiring. At least SiCo in this thread is promptly fixing things. Question is whether the design needs to be derated some or if this is just weld issues that can be sorted out.

 

[TxLite]

It's all a bit of a buzzkill. Mine wont likely spend much time on stuff bigger than creedmoors but still.. So is there any reason to think the similarly light nomad Ti XC would hold up better to magnums? Printed vs welded but very light for size still.

Really liked having the 3 port anchor brake option if using on magnums but if a guy is at risk of failure with magnums that negates the upside. TBAC RR is so gol darn expensive..

Dead air is not immune to failures either. Look into how they handled the massive failures on their Sierra cans. Went completely radio silent and unreachable. I still don’t think they have publicly addressed it

At least sico is jumping through hoops to make it right

 

[TxLite]

Out of curiosity I’d be interested to see if there is any correlation with asr brake vs direct thread and failure rates of the suppressor.

 

[Lawnboi]

Dead air is not immune to failures either. Look into how they handled the massive failures on their Sierra cans. Went completely radio silent and unreachable. I still don’t think they have publicly addressed it

At least sico is jumping through hoops to make it right

And that’s assuming they will even repair a printed suppressor. I have not seen any instances of printed suppressors being repaired but I have always wondered.

Those hoops won’t matter when it ends up hurting someone.

 

[HighUintas]

What is supposed to be an acceptable failure rate? SiCo responding to someone here that they're seeing 1/1000.... That seems pretty good to me.

 

[Runwilderness]

1/1000 is pretty poor if the failures are occurring within normal use conditions and expect product lifetime (e.g. 300 rounds and a 18.5” barrel).

A safety device failure has to be a much higher standard of acceptable fail rate than then your rangefinder not ranging or something else annoying but not a risk to your health.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

What is supposed to be an acceptable failure rate? SiCo responding to someone here that they're seeing 1/1000.... That seems pretty good to me.

1/1000 chance of a catastrophic failure on a suppressor seems a bit high to me. I have to think that is 100-1000x more likely than a catastrophic failure on a modern firearm. Still when it comes to risk mitigation, you have to account for likelihood of failure and severity of consequences of failure.

I don’t know how dangerous this situation is to the shooter and/or bystanders.

I’m not a tort lawyer, but I suspect that with a known 1/1000 failure rate (assuming that number is accurate) if someone was blinded by a catastrophic failure on their suppressors, that might kill the company. And if the company is saying it’s 1/1000, but it’s actually 1/100, then SiCo would be dead as fried chicken.

This is all speculation, of course. If I was counseling for SiCo, I’d probably be freaking out right now.


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[Q_Sertorius]

By way of comparison, I have been shooting for 40 years and served in the military for 15 years. I’ve only known of two catastrophic failures in a firearm. It’s also not a common enough thing that I have seen a lot of lawsuits involving it. I know that product’s liability attorneys would love to nail a gun company.

The first was in a Japanese Arisaka 6.5 rifle in which a dumbass friend of mine fired a 7.62x39. Fortunately for him, the Arisaka action is very strong, the gas ports on the sides directed the gas away from his face, the steel core punched through the copper jacket, and left the jacket in the bore. The rifle was eventually restored to working order by removing the copper jacket and replacing the mangled extractor.

The second was an obstructed barrel on a 9.3x74R that below apart the barrel. I don’t know exactly how this occurred, but I saw the rifle for sale as a parts gun.

The point of these examples is to say that catastrophic failures of modern firearms are remarkably rare. So, hearing about these failures on suppressors makes me really wonder about this situation.


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[mt100gr.]

I’d ask about specific applications if interested. I can’t recall them saying a reflex was needed in my inquiry.

A WSM is a way different powder capacity than a RUM for instance so generically saying “magnum” in barrel length requirements is conservative and vague.

10-4. I was just curious as I have read their rather vague barrel length/cartridge restrictions. I don't RUM but I occasionally SAUM with a reflex. If I get froggy, I'd definitely call AB about my specifics. Thx.

 

[TxLite]

I spoke with them this morning and they said they are not aware of widespread failures, but failures have occurred (obviously). He said with those failures there does not seem to be any correlation for direct thread vs braked, serial number batches, etc. If that changes and it becomes widespread or correlated to SN batches they will issue a recall.

From what they have seen, most of the failures have stemmed from misuse (mag dumps, getting it too hot without allowing it to cool between groups, etc.)

I asked if there is anything additional that can/should be done to inspect it and it sounds like basically just keep an eye on the exterior of the welds for any anomalies/separation etc.

I'm going to continue to shoot it in the same manner I have been. 3-5 rounds at a time, letting it cool to the touch.

 

[Lawnboi]

I spoke with them this morning and they said they are not aware of widespread failures, but failures have occurred (obviously). He said with those failures there does not seem to be any correlation for direct thread vs braked, serial number batches, etc. If that changes and it becomes widespread or correlated to SN batches they will issue a recall.

From what they have seen, most of the failures have stemmed from misuse (mag dumps, getting it too hot without allowing it to cool between groups, etc.)

I asked if there is anything additional that can/should be done to inspect it and it sounds like basically just keep an eye on the exterior of the welds for any anomalies/separation etc.

I'm going to continue to shoot it in the same manner I have been. 3-5 rounds at a time, letting it cool to the touch.

I don’t buy it.

Why are these weld not failing? Same 800 degree stipulations

Edit: they used to say 800 degrees, don’t see it anymore anywhere on their site but it’s still a welded titanium tubeless suppressor.

 

[Tahoe1305]

Yeah that 1/1000 number they provided IMO is a tad suspect. If I go back through and count I’ve read maybe ~5 in this thread. I’m not convinced we have 5000 users with cans. (Although I did check and RS has 80k+ users so it’s “possible”).

If that value is true and we can assume they were a tad aggressive in their no restriction marketing I am not surprised we are seeing 1/1000 failures. At least for now it’s all the short magnums. Whether it’s detonation from unburnt powder, heat, or just too much pressure…. they can’t design for everything. That’s the cost of the lightest/shortest of its kind/suppression value can. They pushed the design limits a bit and looks like maybe too far. I’m not thrilled about it but still think it’s an awesome can for what I paid, what it weighs, length, and how well it suppresses.

Glad they are fixing them and hope mine doesn’t blow up next!

If I were a betting man, I forsee recall in the future though.

 

[Raghornklr]

Another let go today

 

[Tahoe1305]

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Sucks man. Cartridge/length for the data collect effort?