SHOT show 2026. New scopes ?

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[762 ULTRAMAGA]

The Trijicon reticles are absolutely terrible. They're like looking at an excel spreadsheet. Too much clutter, not enough visibility at low light. I've never looked at the LRHS2 (I have an elite 6500 that's been great, fwiw). The NF SHV with the forceplex reticle would be an option if you could get it in the 4-14 version.

The SWFA reticles are as bad as Trijicon.
What I really want is tapered windage crosshairs, so they're visible FFP low power, then they have a center section that's thin and about 12moa wide - with 2moa hashmarks. That gives me 6moa of windage either way, but the thick parts make the reticle useful in very low light, like the old German heavy reticles would have been.

A mini christmas tree of perhaps 10moa in 2moa intervals, would be nice, for fast, quick and dirty type holdovers, but isn't absolutely needed. Basically, I'm wanting a variation of the old Leupold 'heavy duplex' but FFP and with 2-moa (or half-mil) windage hashmarks. And tapered sides.

This is roughly what I want. I spent 5 minutes drawing it in MSPaint. I could probably refine it a hair, but make the little divisions in the reticle 2moa apart, and the lines 2moa from top to bottom. Make the first lower hash 2 moa wide, the second 4 moa wide, the third 6 moa wide. I honestly don't terribly care if there's another lower hashmark. Heck, 6moa is fine. That'll get me to ~425-475 yards with most of my rifles and beyond that I'll be dialing anyway.

Again, this is crude, but it's what I have in mind. It would need to be thick enough to be visible in low light at lower powers for a FFP scope.

(Incidentally, FFP reticles are easier to make visible on lower powers, without being too big at high power, if the scope has a 3x or 4x erector, than if you have a 6x-8x+ erector. Another reason a 4x mag range is plenty)

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Edit: and I could do ok with less. I really just want the windage hashmarks and the tapered sides so that FFP is useable in low light without batteries.

I'm a ffp guy but actually prefer sfp for the hunting that I do.
I think the lrhs2 with the G2H reticle would suit you well

 

[blue_ridge]

The Trijicon reticles are absolutely terrible. They're like looking at an excel spreadsheet. Too much clutter, not enough visibility at low light. I've never looked at the LRHS2 (I have an elite 6500 that's been great, fwiw). The NF SHV with the forceplex reticle would be an option if you could get it in the 4-14 version.

The SWFA reticles are as bad as Trijicon.
What I really want is tapered windage crosshairs, so they're visible FFP low power, then they have a center section that's thin and about 12moa wide - with 2moa hashmarks. That gives me 6moa of windage either way, but the thick parts make the reticle useful in very low light, like the old German heavy reticles would have been.

A mini christmas tree of perhaps 10moa in 2moa intervals, would be nice, for fast, quick and dirty type holdovers, but isn't absolutely needed. Basically, I'm wanting a variation of the old Leupold 'heavy duplex' but FFP and with 2-moa (or half-mil) windage hashmarks. And tapered sides.

This is roughly what I want. I spent 5 minutes drawing it in MSPaint. I could probably refine it a hair, but make the little divisions in the reticle 2moa apart, and the lines 2moa from top to bottom. Make the first lower hash 2 moa wide, the second 4 moa wide, the third 6 moa wide. I honestly don't terribly care if there's another lower hashmark. Heck, 6moa is fine. That'll get me to ~425-475 yards with most of my rifles and beyond that I'll be dialing anyway.

Again, this is crude, but it's what I have in mind. It would need to be thick enough to be visible in low light at lower powers for a FFP scope.

(Incidentally, FFP reticles are easier to make visible on lower powers, without being too big at high power, if the scope has a 3x or 4x erector, than if you have a 6x-8x+ erector. Another reason a 4x mag range is plenty)

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Edit: and I could do ok with less. I really just want the windage hashmarks and the tapered sides so that FFP is useable in low light without batteries.

Maven RS1.2 2.5-15 with SHR-MIL reticle

 

[Chris in TN]

Maven RS1.2 2.5-15 with SHR-MIL reticle
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Still too much windage.

Who shoots 5mrads of wind? 1.5mrad is enough.

 

[Chris in TN]

I'm a ffp guy but actually prefer sfp for the hunting that I do.
I think the lrhs2 with the G2H reticle would suit you well

Most of my hunting scopes are SFP.

The G2H reticle still has absurd amounts of windage. If the graduations they had in mrads were in moa it would be great, imo.

 

[Nine Banger]

Still too much windage.

Who shoots 5mrads of wind? 1.5mrad is enough.

Who holds 10 mil of elevation?

 

[Chris in TN]

Who holds 10 mil of elevation?

Oh, I agree completely. That’s why I’ve said a mini Christmas tree with 10moa is more than enough.

I just see elevation hashes as being more useful than the 10-20-30moa of windage. There’s at least a chance I might use 4-6moa (half of what I’m suggesting) elevation in a hurry. No chance I’ll use 15moa of windage (half of the 30moa some scopes have), ever.

The exception: I have an old vortex viper pst 4-16 on a .22lr now. Sometimes I’ll use the reticle hashes because it can’t get to 300 or 330 yards otherwise. Those are my longest .22lr shots. But that’s really outside of the discussion here. An irrelevant outlier, I guess.

 

[Taylormade820]

Following as I am currently in the market for an NX8

 

[blue_ridge]

Who holds 10 mil of elevation?

I agree, most dial elevation, but still a 308 168gr at 1000 will need about 10.0 mils, so that’s probably their reasoning. However,The Maven reticle only has hash marks to 5.0 mils elevation and windage then graduates to the thicker duplex style line. Overall the Maven reticle is thicker and more visible than most across the whole mag range. So the excessive windage and elevation doesn’t present the same problems you see with other reticles. At 2.5 it’s a little thin but usable. At 4x it is good. 6x and up it’s great.

By comparison the Mil-C and Mil-XT reticles from NF go out to 20+ mils elevation and are thinner overall.

I like the Mil-R NF reticle much more. It’s what I have in my SHV 4-14, but that reticle isn’t available in the NX8’s unfortunately.

 

[Balderdash]

Still too much windage.

Who shoots 5mrads of wind? 1.5mrad is enough.

People who shoot at moving targets.

 

[eaglemountainman]

My list is short and simple.

I'd like to see Trijicon offer their German #4 reticle to the Accupoint 3-9x40 line, with illuminated center dot (no battery). Is that such an unreasonable request?

 

[Nine Banger]

By comparison the Mil-C and Mil-XT reticles from NF go out to 20+ mils elevation and are thinner overall.

I found that aspect of that reticle retarded enough to be distracting.

 

[z987k]

People who shoot at moving targets.

Agreed. And that's a rather small subset of hunters. Ferral pigs and such, but there's plenty of reticles out there with 20 mils of wind, can we for the love of god get one that covers at least an average 308 to 500y in 10mph winds(which is about 1.6mils). We really don't need much more than that. Lets call it 2 mils of wind, and big thick bars past that to make it useful on low power. In 3-12 or 3-9 or 4-12. No elevation subtensions. Just a thick line that gets thin towards the middle to use on high and low power.

 

[z987k]

Still too much windage.

Who shoots 5mrads of wind? 1.5mrad is enough.

Other than the moving targets, I've also wondered who is out there shooting at animals in 90mph winds.

That many Floridians go hunting when category 1's make landfall?

We had those winds this last month but there was 0 people outside hunting in them with windchill below -40.

 

[Formidilosus]

Agreed. And that's a rather small subset of hunters. Ferral pigs and such, but there's plenty of reticles out there with 20 mils of wind, can we for the love of god get one that covers at least an average 308 to 500y in 10mph winds(which is about 1.6mils). We really don't need much more than that. Lets call it 2 mils of wind, and big thick bars past that to make it useful on low power. In 3-12 or 3-9 or 4-12. No elevation subtensions. Just a thick line that gets thin towards the middle to use on high and low power.

The problem with only 2 mils of windage from center and then thick outer posts, is that the FOV feels like it is going into. Your whole image around the target feels constrained. 3.5-4 mils from center is about as tight as is visually acceptable.

 

[Balderdash]

Agreed. And that's a rather small subset of hunters. Ferral pigs and such, but there's plenty of reticles out there with 20 mils of wind, can we for the love of god get one that covers at least an average 308 to 500y in 10mph winds(which is about 1.6mils). We really don't need much more than that. Lets call it 2 mils of wind, and big thick bars past that to make it useful on low power. In 3-12 or 3-9 or 4-12. No elevation subtensions. Just a thick line that gets thin towards the middle to use on high and low power.

I don't disagree that 5 mils is generally plenty of wind for a flat shooting big game rifle. I more like a little less windage on big game rifles because about 5 mils windage creates a nice, easy to use braket at lox X in most FFP scopes.

Just the same, a walking/trotting coyote or wolf can burn up a lot of windage, evan at relatively short distances. It was a consideration I factored in when selecting a scope for a 6 ARC gasser I just put together.